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Author Topic: Thinking about running a Tough Mudder or Warrior Dash? I have now done both. :)  (Read 26870 times)
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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2011, 12:34:15 PM »

Peter and Phil, thanks for the information! I'm doing the Tough Mudder this October. I have KSOs that now have paper-thin soles, Treks, Komodos, and Flows. From what Peter says about the Treks, they may not be the best shoe for the Tough Mudder due to the slipperiness inside and how it stretches out when wet. The Komodo insole would probably slide around too. Should I use the Flows, or am I risking a bad fall due to the lack of traction on the bottoms?

My alternative would be lightweight trail running shoes (not minimalist).

I ran my Komodos in Tough Mudder and they performed superbly. They offered plenty of useable traction on the slick surfaces, swam well, and shed caked on mud quickly, They were great on the obstacles. As mentioned above, I did not do well in the downhills but that was a result of poor form, and not the fault of the shoes. I'll be downhilling quite a bit in my Komodos before TM 2012, but I DO intend to run them (or another similar pair) again.

Having run Warrior Dash in the Adidas I can now speak intelligently about the differences, and I will say VFFs have the numerical advantage in a pros & cons comparison.

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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2011, 03:41:23 PM »

Phil, thanks for the reply. I was surprised they were perfect for you because whenever I leave Crossfit after working up a good sweat, my foot slides around in my Komodos - the insole actually moves from side to side a bit. I take it you didn't have that problem at all?
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2011, 05:01:55 PM »

Phil, thanks for the reply. I was surprised they were perfect for you because whenever I leave Crossfit after working up a good sweat, my foot slides around in my Komodos - the insole actually moves from side to side a bit. I take it you didn't have that problem at all?

I tend to run the strap that goes over the top of my foot pretty tight, for the Mudder I also tightened the stabilizers in the heel, and did not experience any shifting what-so-ever.

This may be an issue with the differences in foot shape ect.- for instance, my Komodos fit pretty snug even before tightening anything- if you have really narrow feet, or wide feet it might be different for you
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2011, 06:55:40 PM »

I'm running the "Rugged Maniac" 5K tomorrow. I'm going to run my Komodos again and see how it goes. I predict good things.

Also registering for Tough Mudder TX Coast on Jan 28th 2012 @ 11am. a friend of mine and I are flying down from Denver to run it. Anyone interested in grouping up let me know. Always good to have a pack to run in- and some people to drink a beer with after.

Amassing a team for Tough Mudder CO 2012- thus far we are 5, need to get to 7 to hit the group discount. Hit me up here if you are interested in joining us, and I'll pass you our team info

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2011, 07:16:47 AM »

Let us know how the Komodos perform! I decided to go with Treksports for the Tough Mudder this Saturday.

Also - the Komodos usually let some stuff in around the heels - they're not KSO's after all. Are you wearing them with or without toe socks?
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2011, 03:16:59 PM »

I am tempted to train for one of these. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2011, 12:55:23 PM »

Rugged Maniac was a lot more challenging than Warrior Dash was- it was held on a Motocross track- which is cool because it is spectator friendly, and it was challenging because of the amount of elevation change- we started uphill (a first for me in these events) and then a long fairly steep ascent to the top of the course, and then basically repeated similar ascents 3.5 times during the 5k- they were STEEP ascents, and descents- very challenging due to the course material- mostly clay. It was hard to get traction on when it was dry and harder to get traction on when it was muddy. The Obstacles were pretty typical- some higher walls (probably 7-8ft) a cargo net climb with a drop into a track and field type "pit" pad, a slog through some nasty deep clay mud, a few ladder climbs, 2 low crawls under barbed wire, a rock-hop, and another walk across loose stumps. There was also a Mr. Myagi sort of pier jump- logs about 10-12 inches across driven into the ground to create piers about 3 ft tall. Each pier was about 3-4 ft apart so you had to jump from one pier to the next. there were about 5 jumps, and it was challenging. The whole thing ended with a climb up to a 15ft platform, and then a steep slip-n-slide into a nice cold pool- once in the pool, there were floating over/unders to deal with, a rope assisted climb out and then a run up (yes up) to the finish line.

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My downhill form is MUCH improved since the Mudder. I kept my weight forward, and was really trucking downhill this time- I passed a lot of people in the downhills so that each descent was basically a slalom around slower runners. My knees still feel great, so I must have been "doing it right".

The Komodos did well enough in the climbs thanks to the flexibility of my feet. also, the muddy climbs had rope assists available so I benefited from that. I did have to scramble for traction a few times on the steep climbs where the clay was packed down really hard. A woman slid down past me on one of these, I stopped to offer assistance and found myself sliding down past her... LoL, I learned after that to go to the outside edges of the track on the climbs- material was looser out there and easier to get traction on.

When I got into the deep clay mud I ran into my first issue with the Komodos- getting through was fine, but running away afterwards the support around my ankles vanished due to that area filling with mud. To my surprise the heel cups became very sloppy just as Barefeet has described above (so I stand corrected  Wink ). I was really surprised by this because i didn't experience anything like that during Tough Mudder- It was a real issue though, and it made me a little uncomfortable- especially when they started to dry out and the grittyness of the material started to grate against the skin around my ankles, and heels. I don't think trek Sports would be much better- what you really need is an adjustment around the ankle to cinch closed in order to KSO- something like what the classics have would do nicely.

I went back to the same clothing style I wore for TM, and that was a good move- no wardrobe malfunctions to deal with, so that was nice. We didn't get many pics this time, but I'll post whatever I get from the event.

In summary- Rugged Maniac was challenging. The production value was a bit lower than other events I have run in, but all in all it was a good event, and I'll probably run it again since i have heard these things tend to get better each year as the organizers learn and become creative from their experience.

For this race I finished 10min faster than average and finished in the upper 3rd of the field. Not terrible, but I don't run these things for time.

Next up is another Tough Mudder! This time we are headed down to Edna TX on Jan 28th. They are advertising an 11 mile course with 25 obstacles to tackle. Should be a good time!







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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2011, 12:55:16 PM »

Thanks for the update on the Rugged Maniac! I'm still undecided about whether to add injinjis to my Treksports this Saturday, if only to make them just a bit tighter. I know I'd regret it if they just trapped the mud and grit, though.

OTP question: I wear contacts. If water gets into my eyes, my contacts WILL pop out and I'll be blind as a bat. I see some people say yes, go for swim goggles on the water obstacles and others say no. Your thoughts?
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2011, 05:33:40 PM »

OTP question: I wear contacts. If water gets into my eyes, my contacts WILL pop out and I'll be blind as a bat. I see some people say yes, go for swim goggles on the water obstacles and others say no. Your thoughts?

Thats a good question. For my first Tough Mudder I wore swim goggles- they were around my neck the whole time. I put them on for the underwater tunnels, but I couldn't see anything anyway so I figured it was a waste.

But then I don't wear contacts- for your needs I'd say take them, it just seems like a good idea.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2011, 01:28:05 AM »

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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM »

Hi everyone.

I'm doing the IN tough mudder on Sat.  What vff's do you recomend?  KSO's or Flows?  (or... regular running shoes?)

I'm leaning towards the Flows but they're a bit tight on my feet, and for 11 miles...?

I'm all set with everything else...

Thanks!

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2011, 08:04:38 PM »

Hi everyone.

I'm doing the IN tough mudder on Sat.  What vff's do you recomend?  KSO's or Flows?  (or... regular running shoes?)

I'm leaning towards the Flows but they're a bit tight on my feet, and for 11 miles...?

I'm all set with everything else...

Thanks!

Frank

Based on everything I have read from past experience... I would say neither of those models.  People talk about slippage in the mud and those models don't have enough grip.  Something with a trek sole would be better.
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2011, 08:24:25 PM »

Hi everyone.

I'm doing the IN tough mudder on Sat.  What vff's do you recomend?  KSO's or Flows?  (or... regular running shoes?)

I'm leaning towards the Flows but they're a bit tight on my feet, and for 11 miles...?

I'm all set with everything else...

Thanks!

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Based on everything I have read from past experience... I would say neither of those models.  People talk about slippage in the mud and those models don't have enough grip.  Something with a trek sole would be better.

This is the advice i would give as well- trek sole will be best for grip on muddy climbs. I used Komodos for my first Mudder, but would advise Trek Sports for anyone buying VFFs for the Mudder specifically.

KSOs or Flows wouldn't be ideal in mud conditions.
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« Reply #28 on: November 17, 2011, 11:08:16 AM »

Hi everyone.

I'm doing the IN tough mudder on Sat.  What vff's do you recomend?  KSO's or Flows?  (or... regular running shoes?)

I'm leaning towards the Flows but they're a bit tight on my feet, and for 11 miles...?

I'm all set with everything else...

Thanks!

Frank

Based on everything I have read from past experience... I would say neither of those models.  People talk about slippage in the mud and those models don't have enough grip.  Something with a trek sole would be better.

This is the advice i would give as well- trek sole will be best for grip on muddy climbs. I used Komodos for my first Mudder, but would advise Trek Sports for anyone buying VFFs for the Mudder specifically.

KSOs or Flows wouldn't be ideal in mud conditions.

So, then... regular running shoes?  That's my only other alternative.
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« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2011, 12:29:28 PM »

I ran the Warrior Dash in Flows and didn't have trouble with slipping and sliding. It's more about your form in regards to your balance. If you have poor form and depend on excessive amounts of tread to compensate for your imbalance, you will end up slipping all over the place. People in normal running shoes were wiping out all over the place. I never slipped once. I did slide on some down hills, but maintained my balance and never fell down. If you keep your general center of mass over your feet and stay disciplined with your form, then you should not have any trouble.
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