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« on: March 29, 2012, 09:26:48 AM »

Good afternoon all,

I got into the Vibram Fie Fingers vibe last year when I bought a pair of Speeds to use for running outside. The day after I purchased them I went outside for a 5 km run. It truly was an amazing experience to feel the ground through my Vibrams, but in the days that followed after I could hardly walk anymore.

Research online told me that my leg muscles need to get used to the different kind of walking and running with the Vibrams and that the best way to have your legs get used to them, is to walk in the Speeds as often as I can after work and in the weekends.

A month later I came to the conclusion that when I got back from work and slipped into my Speeds again, it felt liberating and I actually didn't even want to change back into my regular sneakers anymore. I then decided that I was going to walk in my Vibrams the entire day instead of just using them for running.

Winter was coming however and my Speeds aren't exactly insulated properly for use during the cold winter months. I bought myself 2 pairs of injinji socks which helped a lot and then went on further to find a pair of Vibrams I could use during the cold months, which was water resistant and would also be suitable to wear to the office every day.

I ended up ordering the Vibram Trek LS black version and haven't regretted it since. I walked in them for the past 4 months and after a while people at work started to get used to seeing me walk in them. Now it's getting warmer again so I'm walking around in my Speeds again now. However I was thinking about buying a third pair for every day use during the spring, summer and fall months so I can keep my Speeds for the purpose I originally bought them for: running.

Looking online for which model would suit me best, I'm afraid I couldn't find any make or model which would meet all my wishes in them...

And that's why I'm hoping that this post here will provide me with some answers...

What I'm looking for is a pair of Vibram Five Finger shoes which meet the following requirements:

- Water resistance (it doesn't have to be water proof, but my speeds are like a fishing net. every drop of water which lands on them just drips right on through to my feet)

- A thin sole. I like the feel my Speeds give me a hell of a lot more then the feel I get from my Trek LS Vibrams. While the latter is ofcourse better for off-road and cold temperatures, I'm looking for something which provides me with at least the same ground feel my Speeds give me. The pair I'm looking for will be used for every day use like walking on pavements, streets or in homes and offices. I won't be using them for off-road trail running or anything extreme.

- Toe Flexibility. Again, I love the flexibility my Speeds have with regards to bending and splaying my toes. My Trek LS are a lot more rigid and I don't really like that as much.

- Neutral colors. My black Speeds and black Trek LS don't attract THAT much attention. I realise that by wearing Vibrams in every day use and to the office, that I'm gonna get comments on them. And I don't give a sh*t to be honest, but I'm also not gonna walk around with a neon sign pointing down to my shoes either. And out of all the colors available in pretty much every model, thay always include some sort of light coloured flourescent like colour which makes me stand out like a white Windows computer inside an Apple store. I need a pair which has neutral colours and specifically no neon orange or something in them...

Aside from the KSO Black, which models can you guys recommend for me whilst keeping ther above mentioned things in mind?

Thanks very much for your time for anyone who might answer...

Greetings from the Netherlands.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 11:54:47 AM »

Have you looked into the Bikila LS black and grey. I currently own a pair of them and other than the reflective strips on the side and heel the colors are neutral enough. Also the sole is the same as your speeds. As you stated I also recommend the KSO black but the fit is a bit tight on them.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 11:59:11 AM »

If you want something open and breathable for warmer weather, you are going to lose water resistance.  For waht you are talking about I would say the KSO or the TrekSport.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2012, 12:05:33 PM »

If you want something open and breathable for warmer weather, you are going to lose water resistance.  For waht you are talking about I would say the KSO or the TrekSport.

I agree with Justin. If you really want water resistance, you'd probably have to go with the Flow.  But I would think they would be too warm for spring and summer.

For all around everyday wear, I like my KSOs.  But I'll be wearing my Luna Sandals and Invisible Shoes for casual wear this spring and summer.
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2012, 03:16:17 PM »

Truth is ALL VFF`s soak up water like a sponge, save the Bormio and Trek LS... next season will see the arrival of waterproof VFF`s but they all have a even-thicker-than-Speeds sole. Sad but true. You are going to have to send your wishlist to Vibram and then wait a year or two, hoping they are willing to meet your demands. As Vibram is rolling out their waterproof collection next fall-winter with thick Trek-soled shoes, there is a chance they might do the same with a thinner-soled summer model spring-summer 2013, who knows?

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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 04:59:32 AM »

First of all let me say thanks for all the quick replies. I've done a lot of research for all the different models and the KSO black and Bikila LS black / grey are the only ones which I found matched my wishes as well. Are these a little more water resistant then my Speeds? Like Dirk says, my Speeds soak up water like a sponge whilst my Trek LS are pretty decent in at least being waterproof to a point.

Also, what's the difference in ground feel / grip between the Bikila LS and the KSO's? The sole of the Bikila is the same as my Speeds as far as I can gather, which is a good thing. I was also interested in the Seeya's just for their even thinner sole, but the coloring on those keeps me from buying them for every day use.

Unless anyone else has another suggestion besides the Bikila LS and KSO's I'm affraid I have no other choice then to read the reviews and reactions from users on both of these again very closely, wait for fall to buy a more water proof model for next winter and hope next summer collection brings better colors...

Also: are there any size differences between the Speeds, Bikila LS and KSO's? I'm wearing a size 44 in my Speeds which is perfect, however my Trek LS which are also size 44 (european sizes) are a little to big (just a little). Can I compare the sizing of the Bikila and KSO's to my Speeds?


Oh and Dirk: Ik kom uit Geleen in Limburg. Heb mijn Speeds bij Anyonesrunning in Tilburg gekocht vorig jaar en mijn Trek LS van Amazon.com. Voor m'n volgend paar zal ik toch weer terug gaan naar Anyonesrunning om hun verkoop te boosten en Vibrams in Nederland te promoten ;-)
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 11:12:28 AM »

The KSO's are a mesh, so they wont soak up water like the speed but they won't stop any.  The Bikila LS is probably the best of the three as far as water goes.

The feel of the KSO is going to be MUCH more minimal than the feel of the Bikila.  It's thinner, more flexible, and has no EVA.

For sizing, I own all 3.  My speeds and Bikila LS are both 43's.  I have the grey green KSO's in 42 and they fit perfect.  I have Black KSO's (they run smaller) and they are a bit snug in a size 42.  Hope that helps.
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 09:46:22 PM »

I have one of the older pairs of KSO from when they only had one stitched logo on the top and no matter what I wear them with people still stare at my feet and rarely ever say anything(children and adults).
The ground feel in FFs with the original razor siped sole are all the best, even my smartwool classics are sub par on the feel with the eco step sole or what ever it is.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2012, 06:13:58 AM »

I have the KSO's and the Bikila's and my vote would be for the Bikila at the moment. As was stated above, youre still going to get moisture on the inside with any of these shoes.
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