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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2010, 05:03:55 PM »

Received my upsized M42 Bikila today and I 'm so glad that I went up a size.  The fit is snug yet comfortable.  I feel a little bit of extra room in the heel, but it doesn't feel like it would slip off or rub.  It's a bit damp and chilly in Chicago so I think I'll wait 'til tomorrow to try my first Bikila run
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2010, 06:37:11 PM »

sounds like you made the right move.  i'm surprised at how all over the board the fit preferences are with these shoes.  i guess it's that way with the other models too and this one is nothing like the others but i did not expect all the differences like this
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2010, 02:45:19 PM »

I'm a little worried hearing about the Bikila being a more snug. I fit snuggly into W42 KSOs. I want to stick with the W sizing in Bikilas because my foot is narrow, and I have a smallish heal, but I don't believe Vibram has any plans to start making W43 sizes :-(

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I just bought my KSO's last weekend--M42 and they fit snuggly, just like you.  The only other VFF's they had in my size were the Bikilas.  I tried them both on and at one point walked around Travel Country with one on each foot.  I found the sizing to be identical and almost couldn't tell them apart when standing still.  I opted for the KSO's for the versatility and price, but left feeling confident that I know my size is M42 if I ever decide to purchase Bikilas. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2010, 12:55:27 PM »

Hey all

My husband got his M41 Bikilas last night and boy am I glad they were sold out of M40!    Smiley

Here are his current VFFs:

KSO W41 (they were sold out of M40 at the time)
KSO Trek M40 (he likes the fit)
Bikila M41 (snug but he always reports the VFFs feel snug when first worn)

He loves loves loves the new shoes! Got the Blue ones.
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2010, 12:57:00 PM »

I'm a little worried hearing about the Bikila being a more snug. I fit snuggly into W42 KSOs. I want to stick with the W sizing in Bikilas because my foot is narrow, and I have a smallish heal, but I don't believe Vibram has any plans to start making W43 sizes :-(
have you tried on any M41s? Maybe it's not as bad as it seems...
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 05:07:36 AM »

My husband got his M41 Bikilas last night and boy am I glad they were sold out of M40!    Smiley

Could you tell me the length of his foot? I am 10 to 10 1/4 inches, but have never tried any VFFs on (I'm from Europe, no stores nearby).
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »

I got a M40 in Bikila (my first VFFs ever)
My toes seem to have a lot of breathing space; I'd say about a quarter inch, give or take depending on which toe. They feel comfortable however, but not snug. I can also completely bend my toes downward inside the shoe, which causes all of my toes to exit their respective toe pockets.
Being my first VFFs ever, I'm still getting used to the whole feel of them. I'm wondering if mine fit correctly or if I should've sized down. The associate over at City Sports looked at them and told me they fit perfectly, so I trusted that. And they really do feel comfortable (I was actually surprised at how comfortable they actually are!)

Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2010, 02:55:48 PM »

I got a M40 in Bikila (my first VFFs ever)
My toes seem to have a lot of breathing space; I'd say about a quarter inch, give or take depending on which toe. They feel comfortable however, but not snug. I can also completely bend my toes downward inside the shoe, which causes all of my toes to exit their respective toe pockets.
Being my first VFFs ever, I'm still getting used to the whole feel of them. I'm wondering if mine fit correctly or if I should've sized down. The associate over at City Sports looked at them and told me they fit perfectly, so I trusted that. And they really do feel comfortable (I was actually surprised at how comfortable they actually are!)

Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.

sounds to me they are too big! you may want to try W40!  You shouldn't be able to move your toes independently from the pockets!   think snug leather gloves.  that's how they should feel.
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 09:03:43 PM »

Following completion of the Thunder Road marathon last year in Charlotte - along with many injuries that year, I dove in to near-barefoot technology shoes.  While it has taken a while to adjust my stride, I'm not having injury issues and my form looks (and feels) much better.

Over the past 5-6 months, I've been running on Vibram KSO, Sprint, Nike Free 3.0, and the new Free Run+.

The Nike Free Run+ and Vibram Bikila (which I just purchased) are the new evolutionary versions from both manufacturers.  The Run+ is actually lower to the ground than the Free 5.0, but is more substantial than the 3.0.  It is sort of a cross between the 3.0 and 5.0, and has impressed me with a very good ride, although I still prefer the lighter 3.0.

The new Bikila is by far the best fitting Vibram I have worn to date, with the Sprint being by far the worst.

As far as sizing is concerned, I have short fat feet.  I've been wearing men's 40 KSO black with the socks.  The Sprint in the same size is much bigger - I just cannot get comfortable in that shoe, despite all of the adjustments.  The size 40 Bikila (grey / red) fits nicely with or without the socks.  So, the sizing seems more consistent with the KSO - at least the KSO black version.  I have considered a woman's version, but those seem much narrower than their men's counterparts.  I could not even get my foot into a women's KSO 39, even though their custom sizing scale showed me at 39 or even 38.

My biggest complaint with the KSO is the painful ride over even the smallest road pebbles - they just sting like h-ll!.  The Nike Free models do a much better job absorbing the little rocks, but they also get stuck in the waffle grid tread, which means I have to spend time after a run (and sometimes during) digging the rocks out.

The heel on the Bikila is slightly loose, but does not come off my foot.  I did spend some time on a treadmill in the running store and the shoe felt great on my feet, without my heel coming out.

I am looking forward to running on the new Bikilas to see if they do a better job of absorbing the little rocks, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 09:28:56 PM »

Bought my bikilas today same size I wear in sprint which is W38. They felt great in the store but after walking around in them all day I have two blisters on the heels. If I size down I can't get the things on. So I figure they have to be the right size. I also have short toes and can pull the middle three out if I try. I am going to keep cause I have already wore them. I did get the mostly for running so I will probably just run with socks on.  Not sure if they helps anyone I am hoping the blisters will stop in time and I don't have to wear socks. 

Oh I also noticed that since my toes dont fit just perfect I can feel rubbing from the seams, anyone else notice that. I can't feel it if I jam my toes in till the crease of the shoe is perfect in my foot, but my toes won't say there for long and it of course creates more rubbing in the back.
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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2010, 12:25:37 AM »

south i'm surprised you think the free+ is less of a shoe than the 5.0.  i was just at the running store and we compared the three models at length and found that the free+ was the thickest and stiffest of all the frees.  we even thought the 7.0 was a better ride than the free+.  i guess that just goes to show that everyone has different tastes and feeling on things like shoes.  interesting

tsuasai i say give it some time.  you gotta remember that this is still a shoe and sometimes you and the shoe gotta get used to each other.  many of us have gone through some growing pains with the bikila as well as other models of the vffs. 
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2010, 09:53:12 AM »

I got a M40 in Bikila (my first VFFs ever)
My toes seem to have a lot of breathing space; I'd say about a quarter inch, give or take depending on which toe. They feel comfortable however, but not snug. I can also completely bend my toes downward inside the shoe, which causes all of my toes to exit their respective toe pockets.
Being my first VFFs ever, I'm still getting used to the whole feel of them. I'm wondering if mine fit correctly or if I should've sized down. The associate over at City Sports looked at them and told me they fit perfectly, so I trusted that. And they really do feel comfortable (I was actually surprised at how comfortable they actually are!)

Any comments would be appreciated, thanks.

sounds to me they are too big! you may want to try W40!  You shouldn't be able to move your toes independently from the pockets!   think snug leather gloves.  that's how they should feel.
Hm, but I don't know. Just wearing them normally, my toes would never leave the pockets. I have to really try to get them out. Since I wore these already, I'm gonna keep 'em and see how they feel after I get used to them. I have yet to take them out yet with final exams stressing me out, so we'll see I guess.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2010, 10:46:40 AM »

I have short secondary toes and was worried about sizing up because I was afraid of toe slipping out of the pockets.  I actually have to hold the ends of the toe pockets while curling my toes to get them to slip out as just curling my toes has the shoe flex as well
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« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2010, 10:53:55 AM »

tsuasai i say give it some time.  you gotta remember that this is still a shoe and sometimes you and the shoe gotta get used to each other.  many of us have gone through some growing pains with the bikila as well as other models of the vffs. 

Yeah good point. I am going to try and wear them a lot today and see if I can get them a little more broken in before my big run Monday. I will probably wear socks still Monday just to be on the safe side. Today I will just go without socks and wear a band aid on the back on my heel to make sure it doesn't run to much. But I remember being unsure about almost every pair of VFF when I first get them. I know I would never have the money but I wish just once I could get a custom pair made just for me.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2010, 01:48:35 PM »

south i'm surprised you think the free+ is less of a shoe than the 5.0.  i was just at the running store and we compared the three models at length and found that the free+ was the thickest and stiffest of all the frees.  we even thought the 7.0 was a better ride than the free+.  i guess that just goes to show that everyone has different tastes and feeling on things like shoes.  interesting
What I stated was the free run+ is closer (1 mm actually) to the ground than the 5.0, which is accurate.  I also stated it is a more substantial shoe than the 3.0.  I did not check the stiffness; so, I took an old pair of 5.0 and compared.  They seemed very much a like.  Regardless, so far, I like the ride and tongue-less design - wish they would do the same thing to the 3.0.  Since I have never run on the 7.0, I cannot comment on that shoe, except that it is farther away in design from near-barefoot feel than the other Free siblings.

In terms of weight and design, it seems very close to the 5.0, with the advantage of being closer to the ground and more waffles (read: more bare-foot like) and the ability to use the pod sensor, which I know many runners asked for.

Remember, the goal here is to create a popular design that also mimics barefoot running.  In that sense, technically, it is closer than the 5.0 or 7.0.

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