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« on: June 16, 2011, 06:50:10 PM »

So I'll update this later if anyone would like more information, but I don't know how much really needs to be said.  

Slight backstory...
I wear a Men's 9.5 4E running shoe, and truth be told probably need a 6E.  I got my first pair of KSOs, and fell in love instantly!  Finally! A shoe that fits my foot.  Since then, I have had mixed results with other VFFs that cover the top of the foot.  The Bikilas and Treks were the bane of my existence.  I wear a M40, and couldn't fit my right foot in a M40 or M41!  I barely fit in an M42 because of my high arch/wide foot/girth-y foot.  When the Speeds came out, I fell in love. I waited for them to come to the states, and ordered the M40s.  BAM!  No go, way too tight.  Okay, M41s it is. They arrive, partial success!  The left one is great!  The right one feels like my big toe is going to fall off.  The top of my foot is pinched due to the leather strip that goes around the tongue and eyelets.  Something had to be done!

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1 pair of scissors
knowledge that I could potentially be ruining a pair of shoes I've owned for less than 30 minutes
1 angry speed (right foot)


It's exactly what it looks like.  In a fit of rage and exploration, I cut two straight cuts through the leather like material on the top of the midfoot.  If the shoe is off, I cut straight down until I hit the white material that has "Vibram" sewed into it.  I did it on both sides to relieve any uneven tension.  Problem solved, now there is plenty of relief in the shoe, and my foot can freely move.  I may cut the left one so it matches, but I haven't decided yet.  

I'm going for a run to test them out, I just wanted to let everyone know that the Speed can be a comfortable shoe, even for wide footed people.  I'm more than happy to take better pictures from different angles, just req below. I'll follow up if there is any tearing that occurs after my run.  5 miles down and no extra tears.  Ran though a puddle, my socks are black now.

Update:
after looking at the shoe, maybe I didn't need to cut the black and white layers.  Oh well.  Next person should try cutting just the black layer with a razor blade and see if that relieves any pressure.  No extra tearing at all with cutting both layers.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2011, 03:24:34 PM »

You are far braver than I.  I up sized from a M41 to a M42 and the discomfort I felt in the M41 disappeared.  Lucky for me, as I could never bring myself to cut into a brand new $100 pair of shoes.  I did not notice any difference in the toe length between the two sizes, but did gain the width I desperately needed.  It was actually the salesman's recommendation.  He measured my foot using the stores measuring device, and not the Vibram big footprint, and he concluded I'd be better fit in a M42 because of my foot width.  He was right.  Love them so far.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2011, 06:04:00 PM »

Oh my gosh! Aren't your afraid, some of the stitching adjacent to the cut might unstitch itsself?
I bow to your bravery!
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2011, 07:14:58 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2011, 09:51:23 PM »

I am a man :-) And as a man I make stupid, yet rational split-second decisions.  "This shoe is too tight. Right here. Maybe if I cut it? Ahh better." 

In my mind, I love the Speed enough to make them fit as comfortably as possible.  I wanted to love my bikilas, but I never have. And it's because they're too tight across the top of the foot.  I see way more potential in the Speeds, and want to give them the opportunity to succeed.  Maybe it's from trail running, or skateboarding for so many years, but I'm no stranger to thrashing/destroying shoes.  I took one look at these and said, "worst case scenario, needle/thread and shoe goo can fix these." 

I'll update if/when the shoe completely fails, but I took them on a 10 mile trail run today with steady incline and branches, and the cuts haven't spread. 
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 01:49:25 PM »

The first sentence of your reply made me think of the book "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus" one interesting thing that's pointed out in it is, that men think and work very solution oriented, whrereas women need to ponder and talk about the problem and the way to the solution first.
So one could say you made a manly decision.  Wink

Great that the material is obviously holding out. I think, that speaks for the quality of the material.
Enjoy your runs!
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 11:24:39 AM »

@ bbeaton

Have you ever tried on the Bikila LS?  I found them to be awesome when I tried them, but I did not buy them because I only had one 20% off coupon and a limited VFF budget, both of which I was saving for the Speeds.  If the Speeds hadn't been slated to release in the US market June 1st, I certainly would be sporting the Bikila LS.  
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 06:48:43 PM »

I actually bought them when the first came out!  I got a M40 though and they were too tight, so I ended up trading with someone on this board for a pair of M41 Bikilas.  I would love to try them again though.  I'm getting to the point where I'm having a hard time justifying another pair.  I do love my speeds, and after a few weeks now, they seem to be holding up great w/ no signs of tearing. 

I say that now, but the second I see them go on sale, I'll snag a M41 for sure...
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 10:10:14 AM »

I hear you on the the whole justifying another pair.  I just got my Speeds for Father's day, so I am not going to be able to get any more for a while.  I really liked the feel of the Bikila LS when I tried them on, but I knew the Speeds were about to release so I waited for those.  I am not a runner, so did not necessarily need the Bikila LS.  If the Speeds hadn't been slated to hit the US shelves June 1st, I might have gotten them.  Now, I think I will wait for the Komodosport LS and/or the Trek LS.
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« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2011, 01:06:09 PM »

I did not notice any difference in the toe length between the two sizes, but did gain the width I desperately needed. 

Interesting.  I just posted a question similar to your post here.  I have M40 Bikilas and just got the M40 Speeds.  The Speeds are really tight across the end of the toes area (not tips) and wondered if the M41 would give me more width to possibly lessen the pressure.  I'm not sure if they are supposed to be "tight" as much as they are right now.  I don't think the toe length is the issue.  My big toe seems to be at the end but I don't feel discomfort from it -- unless it's just masked right now by the tightness I'm feeling in both feet when wearing the M40 Speeds.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 11:05:51 AM »

I would definitely try the M41 in Speeds and see if they give you the width you need.  I did not notice any increase in toe length when I upsized, but every pair is different so your results may vary.  I honestly thought the saleperson was off his rocker when he suggested upsizing.  I thought they'd be excessively long, after allI was supposed to take an M40 according to Vibram and he was pushing me towards M42.  I am 100% satisified and glad that I went M42 over the cramped M41 that I had tried on.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 01:26:38 PM »

Just went to a brick and mortar that has Speeds and I sized up to a 42 from 40 as well.  Basically I took my normal European size (42.5) and sized down a half size.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2011, 01:03:30 PM »

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At least I am not the only one that needed to do so.  Did you need to upsize for width or do you just think the sizing chart is that far off?
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2011, 05:02:54 PM »

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At least I am not the only one that needed to do so.  Did you need to upsize for width or do you just think the sizing chart is that far off?

Width was fine in both 40 and 41, I upsized for length.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 05:53:52 PM »

Width was fine in both 40 and 41, I upsized for length.

Funny, I upsized for width and did not notice any difference in length.  Big toe feels the same.  Maybe other toes have more room and are just too short to notice.  Interesting how the sizing runs on these.  Do you measure normally at M40, 10 1/4?
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And never mix up your right foot and your left.

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