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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2009, 01:23:39 PM »

I ran five miles this morning on the treadmill barefoot.  This is the first time I ran completely barefoot.  In my previous runs I've run on the treadmill in my VFFs.  It dawned on me the other day that running on the treadmill in my VFFs was somewhat redundant.  Five miles is the longest I've running since I started out again.  Anyways, I've got a blister on the inside ball of each forefoot - they are about the size of a silver dollar.  I felt these forming almost right away, but I was expecting them so no surprise.  I've been keeping my running inside on the treadmill as the deer flies around here are killer in the mornings and the misquotes pick up where they leave off, and what they don't get the horsefly pick up.  We've not had much of a summer here in New England this year, so I hate to hasten these last few weeks where it seems we've got some sun, but I'm looking forward to this fall with the cooler nights and far fewer blood sucking flies.  I'm lucky to have a really nice rail trail near by and plan on transitioning running outside on the trail this fall. 

It's been an interesting journey so far.  My first and foremost advice is this, when they say take it slow when you transition into barefoot running, what they mean is "TAKE IT SLOW".  I thought I was ahead of the game b/c I cross country ski (stronger calves).  Well (and I should have known better) different kinds exercise work different kinds of muscles.  I got myself a really nice case of pes anserine bursitis, which was bad enough, but I didn't know what it was - thought it was just the little pangs of pain from working unused muscles - so as soon as it felt just a little better I went and ran a couple miles and really injured it.  I couldn't walk without lots of ibuprofen and it took about two weeks to heal so I could get around without taking any ibuprofen.  I gave myself an additional week of rest from the point where the pain was no longer there.  I felt a little silly.  Last Monday was my first run.  I ran a mile, but the pain in my knee was saying hello, so I stopped.  The Thursday of that week I ran four miles, there was a very minor pang of pain, but no issues.  That Saturday I ran four and a half, this past Monday I just did a quick 1.5 miles, and today was my barefoot fiver.  I've been finding Barefoot Ted's Tweets very useful, "Run like a monkey, not a robot".  While I don't think monkey's actually run, I get the intent.  Listen to your body - the rest will come.

Oh, and the blisters.  I just drained them and put some New Skin on them.  I'll run with my VFFs and toe socks while they heal.  I've had the summer off so I've been spending most of my time barefoot - it been great.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2009, 02:36:50 PM »

Just this morning I was thinking of running BF on my treadmill:  the timing of your post is perfect.
I've been logging some good mileage in my VFF KSOs, but have been hesitant to do an BF work for lack of any pristine streets or sidewalks near my house.
My intent would be to use the treadmill to work on my BF form in the hopes that the focus translates to better VFF form outside.
Some of the posts over in the Minimalist Google group are worrying me with discussion that before you go crazy with VFFs, you need to work on minimalist form first barefoot.  I'm not sure I really buy that, but working on my form barefoot certainly shouldn't hurt.

- Pete.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2009, 02:49:07 PM »

"Letting your body takes care of the stride unless you get too tired....then things start to fall apart and you really must concentrate on form."

That's a good point.  I definitely find myself having to become far more aware of my form at the end of a run when I'm fatigued.  I guess it's more of a be aware of form and movement rather than what I was originally doing which was more like trying too hard.  If that makes sense.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2009, 09:47:38 AM »

I'm not much of a runner, but I did have my running time up to 25 minutes or so on the Couch to 5K program before taking some time off due to some pain issues and a bit of laziness.  Grin

Today was the first time I did any serious running in my KSO's - all on paved residential streets.  I'm out of shape aerobically (and in general) but I ended up running farther and faster than my wife, who is a jazzercise nut.  She was rather chagrined at this.  She definitely noticed the difference in my overall gait.

I think what surprised me the most is the *lack* of pain issues while running.  No shin pain, no calf pumping. 

No one has to tell me to take it slow, I have no other mode of operation.  But I am very encouraged after my first outing.  I think I'll start working my way back into the C25K program, all with VFF's.  That would be incredible to me!
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« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2009, 09:55:42 AM »

I'm not much of a runner, but I did have my running time up to 25 minutes or so on the Couch to 5K program before taking some time off due to some pain issues and a bit of laziness.  Grin

Today was the first time I did any serious running in my KSO's - all on paved residential streets.  I'm out of shape aerobically (and in general) but I ended up running farther and faster than my wife, who is a jazzercise nut.  She was rather chagrined at this.  She definitely noticed the difference in my overall gait.

I think what surprised me the most is the *lack* of pain issues while running.  No shin pain, no calf pumping.  

No one has to tell me to take it slow, I have no other mode of operation.  But I am very encouraged after my first outing.  I think I'll start working my way back into the C25K program, all with VFF's.  That would be incredible to me!

Sounds like you're going to be buying a pair of VFFs for the wife Wink
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« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2009, 10:30:18 AM »


Sounds like you're going to be buying a pair of VFFs for the wife Wink

No, she has some already.  She is transitioning slowly due to past issues w/ plantar fascitis.  I'm sure she will be leaving me in the dust again shortly.
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« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2009, 02:34:54 PM »

I'm definetly not a runner and generally out of shape.
But this thursday I went out for a 3 km jog in my vff's and that left me with doms that was still there on sunday.
I was reading Born to run and was caught up in the moment, I wanted to run some more.
I went out and ran sort of like a circle around where I live, should I feel the need to quit I wouldn't be too far from home.
I just went for as long as I felt like and ended up doing 6 km. Prior to my 3k jog a few days before I hadn't ran in over a year.
Yeah, I'll be sore tomorrow but I think I'll be good to go later this week.

Funny thing happened as I started to turn homeward, I met two girls walking and one of them said.
"Oh, you're wearing the wrong shoes!", sort of like "Oh you poor thing, you don't know what you're doing."
And then she looked again and said "No wait! those are running shoes !?"

As I'm writing this I still can't stop smiling about that, out of my 6k run 1,5k was completely barefoot.
Clearly I've lost it.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 07:32:46 AM »

I think what surprised me the most is the *lack* of pain issues while running.  No shin pain, no calf pumping. 

Evidently the pain is 24-hour delayed.

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Calves are stiff, a bit sore, I'm sure it will work itself out by the time for my next run  Wink
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 09:35:58 AM »

haha yeah, maybe we should mention that the real pain usually hits about 24 hours after.
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« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 12:56:44 PM »

I doubled my work out yesterday. So instead of doing 3 miles on the c25k program. I did 3 miles with my wife at a slower pace in the morning. Then I did 3 miles C25k in the evening.
I could feel everything tightening up almost immediately after I got home and took my VFFs off.

I had heard about people using ice packs before. So I decided to try it. I  iced my gastronemius calf muscle for about 15 minutes...then the other leg...then went back to the first leg and iced the soleus calf muscle.  It really helped!  I don't have that sharp tearing pain I had before. Still a little sore. But I would rather be sore than deal with the knife stabby stabby pain in my calves.

I am paying for it in other ways today. I was famished when I woke up. I ate breakfast and two hours later I was starving again. So I ate lunch early...and I am already hungry again.
Also drinking a ton of water. Lots of water seems to help DOMS.
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« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 01:09:15 PM »

Yesterday I ran twice, and discovered something awesome about myself!!! I think I finally understand the joy of running, by remembering what I had learned from the book, "Born to Run!"

Just ease into the run, and don't run for speed. You shouldn't jog faster than the speed @ which you can hold a normal conversation. If so, slow down a little. Listen to your body. Feel any pain? Correct your form!

Could have kept going for miles, but I realized that my muscle conditioning is not quite there yet, so I stopped, and walked. I listened to my body. When I stopped, I wasn't breathing hard at all!!

So to recap, take it easy, enjoy the scenery, and listen to your body.
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« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2009, 01:58:57 PM »

Did my first fully barefoot mile on the treadmill today. I enjoyed it pretty well, but am still feeling heat from a possible blister on my right foot above the ball of my foot.
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« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2009, 02:10:35 PM »

I'm thinking of going out for my C25K run this evening. My only hesitation is that I have about two hours of yards work I have to do before I can switch gears. I hate when the weekend is so busy that I can't fit in all my chores.
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« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2009, 02:21:52 PM »

yeah, I'm doing a C25k run this evening as well haha. What can I say? I enjoy the extra miles.
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« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2009, 04:35:29 PM »

Yesterday I ran twice, and discovered something awesome about myself!!! I think I finally understand the joy of running, by remembering what I had learned from the book, "Born to Run!"

Just ease into the run, and don't run for speed. You shouldn't jog faster than the speed @ which you can hold a normal conversation. If so, slow down a little. Listen to your body. Feel any pain? Correct your form!

Could have kept going for miles, but I realized that my muscle conditioning is not quite there yet, so I stopped, and walked. I listened to my body. When I stopped, I wasn't breathing hard at all!!

So to recap, take it easy, enjoy the scenery, and listen to your body.

I had the same experience, I was almost through "Born to Run" and decided to go out for a run despite my sore calf muscles.
I thought of the exact same thing you did, no faster then a pace you can hold a conversation at, I also tried to do most of my breathing through my nose.
I took it at a nice and slow pace and it was really enjoyable, I started to understand how people could run with a smile on their face.
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