Comment from: Noah [Visitor]
NoahLast year I ran a half marathon in a pair pf minimalist puma h-streets.

I could barely walk for a month.

Sunday, I ran the same race again, in my VFF's, and three days later I'm ready to fun again.

Surprised you've had problems with the VFFs and tendonitis. This is the first I've heard of someone developing a problem like that with VFFs. Usually, I've seen VFF's doing a great job to alleviate or get rid of existing issues, not create them.

How many miles were you logging?
09/29/10 @ 09:45
Comment from: Britt [Member] Email
15-20 miles a week. I try to do 3-4 miles every other day and a 6 mile run on weekends. I am 51 and hadn't run regularly for quite a while, so it may be mostly age related. Also, it is much better than the back and knee pain that kept me from running. I have learned to accept certain pains at this point. Ha.
09/29/10 @ 09:52
Comment from: mike [Visitor] Email
mikeif you do not ease into it tendanitis is actually a very common problem. Especially for faster runners who are pushing a lot more from the lower foot and not just lifting.
09/29/10 @ 11:41
Comment from: Britt [Member] Email
I have noticed that it is worse the more I push it. Being a track guy from way back, I often pick up the pace near the end of my runs. Lately though, I have been leaving the Garmin at home, not worrying about pace and just enjoyed running. It seems to have helped the tendonitis too!
09/29/10 @ 11:48
Comment from: Lindsey [Visitor]
LindseyAnother great review Britt. :) I'm a midfoot striker and therefore have not had any issues with the Streak XC 2 flats. I can see how a more forefoot striker might, but so far they're my flat of choice. But I did intervals in the Streaks last week and was pleasantly surprised with how they performed during sprints. I'm actually splitting my time between the Streaks and totally barefoot (two days ago I did my first run where I ran more mileage barefoot than shod) and it's keeping my form honest, my feet strong, and definitely keeping things interesting.

As I've said before, my only real complaint about the Streak XC 2s is the narrow toe box. They'd be the perfect flat for me if it were wider, but oh well. The Mizunos have the edge there for sure.

Sorry to hear you're having tendonitis issues with VFFs. I had some reoccurring TOFP two months ago that I couldn't shake in the VFFs. It wasn't until I started running in the flats and truly barefoot that the pain went away completely. I have no idea where I went wrong, but at least we have found solutions that work for us.
09/29/10 @ 13:07
Comment from: Britt [Member] Email
Thanks for the feedback Lindsey! They are a pretty cool shoe. I seem to have my best luck with the Saucony A4s. I think they are probably similar to the Mizunos.
09/29/10 @ 13:31
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
ScottBritt,

I am 46 and have the same issues regarding AT that you do. I to stop running in my VFF Bikila (I wear the Treks all day though to work) and still the AT is acting up sometimes. I've looked at the Saucony Kinvara as an option.

After reading your post I have a dumb question...how can you tell if you are pushing from the lower foot and not lifting? I wonder that is my problem or age.

Thanks
09/29/10 @ 15:10
Comment from: Britt [Member] Email
Scott,

I am not sure, maybe Mike could fill us in.
09/29/10 @ 17:25
Comment from: krazygoat [Visitor]
krazygoatI found that I had to go even more minimal so when I run in my bikilas I do half my miles with them on and then half barefoot. You could probably go the other way around, I just have some not barefoot friendly sections of my run at the beginning of my loop.

Barefoot helps my form and I have less nagging issues with weird toe, ankle, or achilles pain than even running with VFFs. Sometimes I use ZEM booties but they have bottom seam issues that while don't give me blisters or anything just feel annoying.

Right now I am running around 6-6.5 miles but still increasing milage for my long runs.
09/29/10 @ 21:50
Comment from: Justin Owings [Member] Email
@krazygoat,

I'm like you -- about 50/50 Bikila on/Bikila off (barefoot). This is the only way I can really dial-in my form. Barefoot is best (IMO) but not always the most comfortable (sometimes I just want to tune out a bit more!).
09/30/10 @ 09:26
Comment from: Aaron [Visitor]
AaronI am also currently in the half Bikila/half barefoot running camp. I start out barefoot and then put on the Bikilas when my feet tell me it is time. Sometimes that is a mile, sometimes two. It always depends on the surfaces. In Chicago, the sidewalks are nice and smooth. In Kansas, where I did my most recent barefoot run, the pavement is rough and the sidewalks are like coarse sandpaper. Ouch! The only problem with running barefoot first is that I have to carry baby wipes with me to clean my feet before putting on the Bikilas. They are great, but I have to question the judgement of using white fabric for the insoles. Mine are now permanently grey.

The problem I have had with the minimal shoes I have tried (Brooks Mach 12, Adidas XCS, Nike Wafle Racer, and Saucony Shay is the narrow toe box (in order from widest to most narrow). No matter what, my feet just felt cramped around the ball of the foot. It was always enough to be annoying, and I decided running barefoot with help from the Bikilas just made the most sense.

I am looking forward to trying on some of the new models coming out like the NB and the Altra, but I have a feeling they are still going to have that "binding around the foot" feeling I have come to despise. It is almost like running barefoot has soured me toward wearing shoes. I definitely agree with Justin about wanting to tune out sometimes. Barefooting definitely does not allow that.

I have also recently tried huaraches, but they are taking some getting used to. They feel nice and open on top, but they seem to flop around when I run. They will take some dialing in for sure.
09/30/10 @ 16:21
Comment from: Julie [Visitor]
JulieThis is interesting because I had a very similar experience with the streak xcs and the saucony a4...the streak xc did seem to make it hard to NOT heel strike, so I gave up on them, but I wish I didn't have to because they are so lightweight. The A4 is just weird...a shoe that doesn't feel like a shoe but has more cushion than VFFs (I normally run in VFFs but smashed 3 of my toes and did not feel comfortable in racing a technical trail 50k in them before they healed). I think they make a good road shoe for me. I've found for fast, technical racing where I know I will not be careful where my feet go, Nike's spikeless xc flats are pretty awesome (especially from a forefoot strike point of view, but less comfortable over long distances (25+ miles).
10/06/10 @ 20:29
Comment from: Britt [Member] Email
Julie,

I ended up wearing the Streaks for a 5k race and they worked great. Since my pace was faster than normal and the race was short, I had no problem staying on my forefoot. I guess it makes sense that racing flats would be good for racing. Ha.

Which spikeless flat are you referring to? The Zoom Waffle racer?
10/06/10 @ 21:31
Comment from: Julie [Visitor]
JulieYup the zoom waffle racer. I like it because its for offroad, its light, and doesn't have much of a sole. But I wore them for my last trail 50k...they worked...but a bigger toe box would have been nice (maybe a requirement for regularly wearing them in ultras, and I have narrow feet to start with).

Maybe I will have to keep the streak xcs in mind for shorter races.
10/08/10 @ 01:50
Comment from: Jeremy [Visitor] Email
Jeremy@Aaron, with our shoes we made them to fit your foot, not to force your foot to them. Take a look at some of the pics on our website and facebook page. There is room for your foot to do what it is meant to do. I hope that we can provide you an answer in Zero Drop and true biomechanical running. Thanks all for the interest.
12/02/10 @ 14:25
Comment from: Chaz [Visitor]
ChazHi! What would you suggest, the Nike Air Zoom Streak XC 2, or Saucony Kinvara 1?
04/11/11 @ 01:58
Comment from: mike [Visitor]
mikeI've seen these shoes. They seem very narrow at the toe box. Whats the size I should get if I'm normally a size 8?
06/15/11 @ 15:03
Comment from: Jerrry [Visitor]
Jerrryi am trying to find the heel drop on the NIke Zoom xc streaks...they are the only pair of shoes in the last 15 years that worked for me - and the new versions just don't work the same. I think it might be a difference in the heel drop. Problem is i can't find the info since they no longer make the original Zoom XC streaks.

any input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

frustrated runner
02/23/12 @ 14:02