Comment from: Max [Visitor] Email
MaxYou should make that final pic available as a desktop wallpaper!
01/05/12 @ 09:57
Comment from: PB Junkie [Visitor]
PB JunkieGreat review! I am so stoked for the release of these shoes that I've already pre-ordered them from Born to Run. The rock-block effect is particularly of interest to me as I run in a lot of rocky areas. Glad to hear that they run true to size too.
01/05/12 @ 10:02
Comment from: Rob [Visitor] Email
RobSo now we've re-invented the cross country racing flat, but now with toe pockets! ;) Seriously, what is the crossing point between pre-existing, light weight racing flats (road and trail) and these more built up versions of VFFs? I'm thinking we're about there. So the deciding factor comes down to style. To each their own but I'll stick with racing flats. Also, having more of a rock-plate is good, but main issue with ALL the VFFs on trails is the danger of toe fracture from kicking rocks or being unnaturally spread during a trip. So I guess if your a VFF fan then this is the way to go if you also like shorter trail runs. For longer runs I still think having a bit more sure will pay dividends.
01/05/12 @ 11:10
Comment from: GD [Visitor] Email
GDGreat review Leah. I like running trails, but mine aren't as technical as the ones you appear to be running . . . yet. I've only been on this minimalist wagon for about a year, but it's been a fun year of running that I actually have enjoyed. The Spyridon looks pretty aggressive and there some trails nearby which would be great to use the Spyridon on. If you can, as far as ground-feel how would you compare them to the Bikila LS?

GD

p.s.
In that picture of you running in profile, are you heel-striking?!
01/05/12 @ 12:57
Comment from: Horse Rider [Visitor]
Horse RiderI was wondering the same thing as GD about the heel striking...
01/05/12 @ 15:23
Comment from: Treks and Treksports? [Visitor]
Treks and Treksports?My go-to for trail running has been my Treks and Treksports. How do the Spyridons compare?
01/05/12 @ 15:47
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHNice review. I like the look of these. Two comments:

1) I have totally given up on wearing VFFs without Injinji socks. If you have callouses, something is wrong. Injinji socks provide that projection from seams as well as rubbing points.

2) Leah - have you ever worn KSO Treks? These two models seem to be head-to-head competitors. I'd be intersted in your opinion of which is better for the trails and why. At $120 for these and $125 for the Treks, the price isn't an issue. It comes down to durability, comfort and performance.
01/05/12 @ 16:31
Comment from: MJ [Visitor]
MJI would like to know what the comfort level is across the top of the foot is like with the LS. I have the Komodo LS and they are the least comfortable of all my fives. After about 30 minutes the laces hurt, uncomfortable and very annoying. Also, the heel always feels it will torque out from the heel cup.
01/05/12 @ 19:56
Comment from: Leah [Member] Email
What? I thought everybody runs on their heels! ;)

Didn't mean to throw everybody off with the photo. Although my form is not perfect by any means, this isn't my normal form... we were just trying to get an action shot... It takes around 100 shots just to get one decent photo... I'll get a better one next time! :)

@Max Hey, that's a great idea, I'd love to make some wallpapers!

@PB Junkie I still have to watch my footing (as with any shoe) but it seems to do a pretty good job!

@Rob I've been running in the Spyridons for a few months now. They're much more robust and protect my toes better than a more minimalistic model like the Sprints. I'll run into a rock on occasion, but I don't feel the pain as much as I would in the Sprints. So far so good!

@GD I haven't tried the Bikilas so I can't compare... but the Spyridons have a decent amount of ground feel given how robust they are.

@Treks and Treksports Great question! I bought a pair of the TrekSports a long time ago and had to return them because they caused blisters on the inside of both my arches every single time I ran in them. It was a bummer because I really loved they way fit and how well they protected my feet from rocks (they are very rigid throughout the sole). From what I can remember, the sole wasn't as flexible as the Spyridons though.

@EdH I just got some Injinjis... I prefer not wearing socks, but I'm interested to try them out! I haven't worn the KSO Treks, but I'd love to see how they would compare.

@MJ That's interesting... I wonder what's causing that. I haven't had any issues with the laces. Maybe try adjusting them during your runs.. I usually tighten/loosen them before running on steep inclines and descents.
01/05/12 @ 22:47
Comment from: GabeM [Visitor]
GabeMhow is the ground feel in these compared to the treks? i stopped wearing mine because my cross country team does alot of road work as well as trail running, and i could feel the cleats through the sole. they were also stiff and the inside was really hot. are these any better?
01/06/12 @ 09:04
Comment from: Alex Lasan [Visitor] Email
Alex LasanWould vibram company ever make vibrams for football players with cleats or sprinters in the olympics?
01/08/12 @ 15:13
Comment from: TC [Visitor]
TC@Leah: There seems to be a lot of space for rocks or mud to get into the shoe. Did you use these shoes in any deep puddle or something (beyond the Achilles tendon), I mean, did you cover all the shoes in a puddle or something during your runs? Is the same problem running in the beach with bikila and, without socks, it's a big issue, more than just the blisters.

The version without laces seems to be a better choice regarding that issue.
01/10/12 @ 12:29
Comment from: Leah [Member] Email
@GabeM I haven't worn the Treks so I can't compare, but I like the ground feel on these on any terrain. To me it feels a little like wearing a bike tire on my foot and I'd say the impact is pretty evenly dispersed. My favorite thing about the outsole is how flexible it is. It doesn't feel rigid throughout the midsole like some of the other robust VFFs. Also, since the upper is thicker, they don't have the best ventilation in the VFF lineup and tend to wear a little hot.

@Alex Lasan Vibram is always innovating, so maybe they'll expand their line to target specific sports soon.

@TC I haven't completely submersed them yet. I agree, VFFs without the laces would be better for fighting off debris. Although, I ran in the KomodoSports on the beach for an hour a few weeks ago and still couldn't keep sand from piling into the heel.
01/10/12 @ 13:53
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHAfter running a fairly technical trail today in KSO Treks, I am wondering of that gap or whatever it is where the arch is on these VFFs is enough to protect against rocks of you miss a step. I definitely felt it on my KSO Treks but the sole is thick enough it offered some protection.

Is the arch design thin and of a flimsy material or is it fairly rigid serving a purpose.

My treks are losing their tread and the bmx bike tire pattern really appeals to me. Just want to know it will work on more technical trails.
01/16/12 @ 00:07
Comment from: John [Visitor]
JohnI run barefoot or in VFF Bikila's for nearly everything but not happy in a long, rough trail with stones / bruising. These look great & a bit more protection but I echo Rob's comment about toe damage - I almost ripped off my little toe on a tree root covered in leaves. Its now a twice as thick as the other & I'm having to find something with a closed toe box for long runs "into the wild".
01/18/12 @ 07:37
Comment from: Mr. Leigh [Visitor]
Mr. LeighThese are pretty cool shoes. I'd love to try a pair for a little off road action. Great article, thanks for sharing.
01/26/12 @ 17:41
Comment from: Julie [Visitor]
JulieThanks for the review! I'm looking to get a red pair to add to the collection....
01/31/12 @ 19:24
Comment from: Anthony [Visitor]
AnthonyI can not wait for these to come out. I can just imagine the amount of fun I will have with this pair, uh just can't even wait.
02/08/12 @ 02:06
Comment from: lalileon [Visitor]
lalileonI want to try these spyridom! for my sprint does not have much grip for my bike trips .. I like it very comfortable, unless I get blisters on my thumb, and so as I said justin, seams should be tame ... I hope ... the I love!!
02/08/12 @ 21:14
Comment from: Gary [Visitor]
Gary"Fits true to size" never helped me much -- I don't think shoe sizing is anywhere close to standardized. Even within the same brand (e.g., Vibrams VFF), different shoes have different sizing. I wear one size in Treks and Sprints and another one (one down) in Bikilas. I have finally landed on a Bikila size that works for me. Would that same size be the one to order for the Spyridon? Thanks.
02/09/12 @ 01:01
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHGary, I think everyone is different. I wear one size for Bikila, KSO, Sprints, and Classics, but one size down for KSO Treks.

I ordered the Spyridons in my normal size. Won't know until it gets here if that was the right call or if I should go up/down one.
02/09/12 @ 12:31
Comment from: Leah [Member] Email
@EdH The arch is robust and I haven't had any issues so far with rocks.. As with any footwear, you still have to watch your footing but I think the added mesh technology works great to disperse the impact.

@John The Spyridons are constructed with a robust upper to help alleviate that. I haven't had any toe stubbing issues so far.

@Mr. Leigh Thanks for reading!

@Julie @Anthony @lalileon Awesome, I think you'll really dig 'em!

@Gary Yes, everyone is different and sizing any footwear can be difficult.. I usually wear a size 38 in all VFFs.
02/20/12 @ 16:34
Comment from: Robert [Visitor]
RobertI know I am not a women and of course this review isnt of the womens version but oh well.
I ran my first trail run in the new Vibram Fivefinger Spyridon LS today. It was an easy 7 miles through mud, creeks, uphill and spent some time on gravel roads too. I must say, I absolutely enjoyed running in them. They provided perfect balance of protection and ground feel. I purposely ran down gravel roads just to ensure they protected against rocks. The shoe provided good drainage when running through standing water and provided good traction when running uphill and through slippery clay. I am very happy with my purchase and give vibrams kudos on a well made shoe!!
02/20/12 @ 22:04
Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
DennisHow do these work on firmer ground? I live in Pittsburgh and the ground around here tends to get pretty dry and hard during the late summer months. Also the only "trail" I don't have to drive to has some paved segments to it. Obviously it will wear the treads down faster but would there be any other real problem with using these in place of my KSO on ground that is not as soft?
02/21/12 @ 11:31
Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
DennisLet me add to my post above, that I am doing a Tough Mudder in May and don't feel that my normal KSOs will be up to the task. These seem great for that but my normal running is not in a mud pit so I don't want to drop $120 for a pair that I can't use most of the time.

Thanks
02/21/12 @ 15:43
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHI love mine! I got them last week and was finally able to go out on a trail yesterday. Definitely better than the KSO Treks. The Spyridon is my "go-to" trail shoe from now on. I did a review at http://www.thefaithfulrunner.com/2012/02/review-vibram-five-fingers-spyridon-ls.html
02/21/12 @ 16:13
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdH@dennis - these will work just fine on hard and paved surfaces, but as you note, on asphalt and concrete, you'll wear the tread down faster. On hard dirt, I don't think it will make a difference. I was very careful to keep mine off of paved surfaces, but still had to go about 50 yards on concrete. They were just fine. Not as much feel as in a pair of KSOs, but you cannot really run a trail in KSOs either.

I have a half-marathon coming up in March that is 3+ miles road, 9+ miles dirt. I'll wear these, but not looking forward to the asphalt part due to tread wear. 3mi shouldn't be a huge deal.
02/21/12 @ 16:24
Comment from: Hai [Visitor]
Haii got a huge blister from the spot where the leather overlay is attached!!! that's too bad since i love everything else about this model. i was going to wear these for the SoCal Tough Mudder, but now i have to settle for the KomodoSport LS.
02/23/12 @ 12:32
Comment from: Kitkatbird [Visitor]
KitkatbirdIve been planning on going back packing for almost a year now and now it will be happening in april the big debate was do i wear my year old treksports or go back to my old hiking boots (which I was wearing when I got a stress fracture of one of the sesamoid bones (like a knee cap) in my big toe) i really didn't want to go back to restricting footwear but I know that rocks (especially hidden ones) have been a big problem when they hit my arch area. So when I read about the spyridons I knew that was what I needed. I just them today and I am wearing them as I write this. Now I'm not sure if its because my treksports are fairly worn but since I was wearing them into the store I was able to do a direct comparison and noticed the spyridons were noticeably stiffer and more rugged (almost creating arch support) Granted these aren't broken in at all but I definitely noticed a difference in ground feel. I was put off at first by this but then I thought of how great it will be when I'm heading down a steep rocky trail and land on a nice sharp rock hiding in the leaf litter. Ill be starting to break them in this week and I cant wait to be flying over the trails on my multi-day trip. :)
03/04/12 @ 17:11
Comment from: Leah [Member] Email
@Robert Awesome! I agree, they definitely have the right balance of protection and ground feel.

@Dennis I agree with what @EdH said...They will work just fine on hard surfaces, but the tread will probably wear down faster.

@Hai That's a bummer! But the Komodosport LS is such a great VFF too. Good luck on the Tough Mudder!

@Kitkatbird I think you're going to fall in love with the Spyridons. If you want something that will protect your arch better, these are the ticket. I still have to watch my footing in them while hiking on the trails, but it beats wearing a heavy constricting boot. I wish I had them when I went trekking in Peru 2 years ago. I actually hiked the Andes in the Sprints since none of the new VFF models had come out yet...(tough stuff!)
03/04/12 @ 18:57
Comment from: Tom [Visitor]
TomAwesome Shoe!!! I've run in VFF's the last two years and run exclusively on trails. I usually work in a pair of KSO's but I have a good collection to choose from. My favorite shoes for the running I do have been the Treksport and Bakila LS. This winter I was in a pair of Icebug Anima Studded shoes which were the ticket in ice and snow. I went to our local VFF dealer the day they put out the Spyridons. I'm very impressed with the rock guard features and they work with a minimum of deadening the VFF feeling that I love. It took me about 2 months of running trails before my feet got used to hitting those hidden rocks and I came to actually enjoy it it a weird sort of way. With the Spyridons I can run downhills faster because I'm not as afraid of the "ouch." I ran my standard loops on the Tubbs Hill trails in Couer d' Alene I'd been on all winter and took over five minutes off my 50min run the first time out. It didn't hurt that it was the first gorgeous spring day this year and I was loving just playing in it, but the shoes did make a difference as well. Conditions were very mixed with some dry, muddy, and even slushy trails. I had great traction even on some very steep up and downs on lesser used trails. The lacing system was solid and the toes seem to be cut a little extra long with a better bumper than the Treksports and I didn't wince when stubbing a toe. I usually run without socks but got my Bakila LS a size bigger so I could for some extra warmth. The Spyridon allows socks or sock free in the same size shoe. If you don't like feeling the rocks but still want the feel of being barefoot these are the way top go.
03/10/12 @ 19:38
Comment from: Shannon [Visitor]
ShannonVery informative.
What's the best lady's VFF for Mt. biking?
Thanks.
03/20/12 @ 19:34
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHShannon, my 2¢ - no VFF is suited for biking. Right tool for the right job. Our feet were meant to run, walk, jump, hike, etc. They weren't designed for pedals, so you need help with that, otherwise you put undue & unnatural pressure on very specific parts of the foot.

I wear VFFs almost exclusively, but when on the motorcycle, I use boots and when biking, non-minimalist shoes that evenly distribute that tiny pedal across the area of my foot.
03/20/12 @ 20:40
Comment from: Shannon [Visitor]
ShannonThanks. What's the best VFF for every day use and hiking, then?
03/21/12 @ 01:03
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHIt depends on your preferences. I personally like the KomodoSports for everyday use - it is what I wear at work. For hiking, if you need the grip, the KSO Treks or Treksports have decent tread. The Spyridon LS has a better tread but not sure it is necessary unless you are running when you often need as much grip as possible on trails.

If you want one shoe for both, the KomodoSport is definitely worth a look. Good upper feel and a decent tread that would probably be enough on most hiking ventures.
03/21/12 @ 09:05
Comment from: DangerDan [Visitor] Email
DangerDanWho here has had trouble fitting into the Komodosport LS and Spyridion LS, me I have it actually quite frustrated me for some time as I really wanted to use them in Ultimate Frisbee (we play in a softball field that's laden with pot holes, sand, bare soil and rocks) so I tried once more at my local Luke's Locker, to fit in the regular Komodosport, what transpired blew my mind. The gentle man helping figured out my issue, I don't have a really high instep or weird foot structure problems I just happen to have a high volume foot which is easy enough to cram into Bikila LS and Speed, what was stopping my foot was that darned new speed lace that they changed... on the Bikila LS they made it nice and long but on the Komodosport LS and Spyridion LS they shortened it and instead of elastic make it out of some really tough regular string for some silly reason, the solution: Custom speed lace... yes I, with a cringe, cut the original speed lace they had and got a bungee speed lace they had in store that was a lot longer AND IT WORKS WONDERFULLY!!! Will post pics and more once I really test them out
04/02/12 @ 02:57
Comment from: Justin [Visitor]
JustinJust bought these from TravelCountry after reading your review (and many others). TravelCountry had free shipping and a free pair of Injinji socks $10 value. Pretty sweet.
04/23/12 @ 16:43
Comment from: Jay [Visitor]
Jay“and molded polyester mesh in midsole adds a “rock block” effect, dispersing impact over a broader area.”
That sounds kind of like a rock plate, which is the antithesis of a barefoot shoe. Can you feel the “mesh” when you wear the spyridons?


Re EdH – bike shoes

I bike in Trek LS, the sole is stiff enough to distribute pressure somewhat. I only bike 5-10 miles at a time though. Do you have any recommendations for serious bike use?
04/25/12 @ 14:51
Comment from: Sky.Live [Visitor]
Sky.LiveThe lace totally sucks.. It snaps at the part attached to the velcro before i wore it for the first time.. now showing sign of almost snapping wearing it second time.. The soles is very good tho..
05/14/12 @ 21:05
Comment from: Matt [Visitor]
MattI recently competed in the Tough Mudder competition in the Poconos, PA and wore my new Spyridons. First off, running in VFF's completely blows away normal sneakers for trail running. This new tread on the Spyridons greatly increased traction and rock-blocking. They don't breathe as well as my KSOs but I don't think that was the point in design. Although after getting my feet wet, muddy, and dirty (and repeat), my feet stayed fresh and unscathed. I have yet to get any blisters from these which is an added bonus. The tie laces on top are a little inconvenient when getting them on as I feel they could've offered a bit more length, but it's really no big deal. All in all, I feel like this is the best option for trail running and the beehive design is their most bad ass one yet!
05/16/12 @ 12:21
Comment from: Enoch [Visitor]
EnochLeah,

I'm seventeen, and doing cross country this fall. I was planning on getting the Bikila LS, because it has shape for high arches, but then the Spyridon caught my eye. I don't mind paying the extra money for them, but I want to know these few questions: (pardon me if I'm asking questions that have already been answered! I only skimmed through the comments)

1. Do they have a "Barefoot Feel?"

2. Are they built to accommodate high arches?

Thanks!

Sincerely,

Enoch
05/18/12 @ 18:12
Comment from: EdH [Visitor]
EdHEnoch, I like the barefoot feel the Spyridon's have. It isn't as good as a KSO or Classic, but that is to be expected.

As for high arches, I am not sure any VFF is built to accommodate any particular arch. They have an arch curve, but no support.
05/19/12 @ 15:50
Comment from: DangerDan [Visitor]
DangerDanTo answer your first question, there is a Barefoot feel but it's really muted even more so if you like to wear the minimalist socks (I'd spell them but I'd get it wrong), it feels like walking on bumpy carpet with the socks on.

Now your second question presents quite a conundrum: Vibram's says they can, that's what the speed lace is suppose to do. But no they do not, considering the fact that they decided to not make the speed lace elastic at all and they made it really short...

However, what has been working for me, I have similar issue. All I did was clip the speed lace, I know that they are forever mine now but I love them anyways, and then replace them with a speed bungee, same concept but now it elastic enough to allow your foot in and still fit comfortably
05/19/12 @ 17:14
Comment from: michaelp [Visitor]
michaelpJust finished my second trail race in these. Loved having these shoes on my feet.

It's strange to read comments about people worrying about losing ground feel. Never once did I want to feel more of the ground! All those rocks were nicely muted so I could keep a strong pace, and the sting I would get up my legs on the fast descents was enough; people want more of that?

This race was much more technical than the previous (wet and muddy) event. For both races the tread proved wonderful for traction, but I was especially impressed with the courage I gained as I bombed the trecherous down hill sections of this latest race. Steep, often unstable, and with sliperry little rocks, I couldn't imagine a better sole.

I had noticed at the beginning line up that there were quite a few runners with street running shoes and I felt sorry for them as I bombed through this event.

Like my last race, I had sweaty feet and ended up with a stinging skin abrasion on my left inner foot. Not going to try these shoes ever again without socks. My Bikilas are a dream sockless, but with these I just can't get away with it. Hopefully I can squeeze a pair of the thinner toe-socks inside?

I also have a pair of NB-MT00 and they have a very good sole, but are just a tad snug (and I would not want to go up a half size) so the Vibrams Spydies are my go to trail-shoe for now.
05/21/12 @ 14:57