Comment from: Tom Wilson [Visitor]
Tom Wilson

So very true. The barefoot when parallel to the ground naturally lands on the forefoot given the fact that the foot lands under the body. When a wedge of EVA is added to the heel it is impossible to land on anything but. The only possible way would be to land on your tip toes.

01/28/10 @ 13:38
Comment from: Dave C. [Visitor]  
Dave C.

Regarding your question: "Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has noticed that they forefoot strike while running or walking in VFFs or barefoot, but inadvertently heel-strike in less minimalist footwear, and in particular as with shoes with elevated heels."

As I have been trying to relearn how to walk in VFF's, I have been experimenting with forefoot, midfoot, and heel-roll walking styles. The one thing that has been consistent, is that when trying to softly heel roll walk for a period of time, it aggravates my slight case of patello-femoral pain in my knee.

It's nothing crazy, but it develops a slight ache after a while. I don't get this when I forefoot/midfoot walk.

However, heel roll walking seems much less awkward feeling or looking. That could be from decades of familiarity with it though.

01/28/10 @ 13:53
Comment from: admin [Member]  

@Dave,

I tried heel-roll walking for awhile and it didn't feel good on hard surfaces. I was doing a lot of walking around on concrete (hunting for nursery products at the time) and I had to adjust my gait or face foot pain.

It took me awhile to acclimate to forefoot/midfoot walking, but it finally just clicked. I definitely felt awkward doing it at first, too! It'll get there in time.

01/28/10 @ 13:59
Comment from: Zataod [Visitor]
Zataod

I try to stay away from traditional shoes as much as possible now. I have noticed that even my walking has shifted towards more of a forefoot landing. I've found that walking or running in place is a great way to get a feel of how my foot wants to come down on the ground naturally. I think Owen McCall's sister calls it "stomping grapes"

Speaking of kids learning to walk, if they are going to wear shoes, Robeez or something comparable are great.

01/28/10 @ 14:07
Comment from: Lyle [Visitor]
Lyle

"Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has noticed that they forefoot strike while running or walking in VFFs or barefoot, but inadvertently heel-strike in less minimalist footwear, and in particular as with shoes with elevated heels."

When I ran track, I noticed that our coach kept telling us not to let the heel strike first, but our shoes forced that behavior unless you were sprinting. It is possible to land on your toes with traditional running shoes, but it takes a lot of fighting against the shoe. Might explain why I preferred to practice in track flats.

01/28/10 @ 15:02
Comment from: Tuck [Visitor]
Tuck

"Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has noticed that they forefoot strike while running or walking in VFFs or barefoot, but inadvertantly heel-strike in less minimalist footwear, and in particular as with shoes with elevated heels."

Oh yeah. In fact, after running for a month or so in Vibrams this summer, I decided to take my old sneakers out for a spin. It was horrible. With every step the darn heel would get in the way: it was impossible to run cleanly.

That was the last time I've run in (or worn) sneakers with a heel.

01/28/10 @ 15:05
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
Brian

I was on an eliptical at the gym the other day which is behind all the treadmills. I found it very interesting that all the runners were wearing traditional running shoes and all had a very prominate, observable heel strike. My FiveFingers felt really good right about then.

01/28/10 @ 18:02
Comment from: Crabbygoat [Visitor]
Crabbygoat

Absolutely. Its terribly evident in all of my traditional shoes. The outside rear of the soles get worn down, and really rather quickly. You can see it when the shoes sit on the floor, it looks like someone took a knife and shaved the heels off. Its nothing more than common sense. I think.

01/28/10 @ 20:50
Comment from: Ben S [Visitor]  
Ben S

In 2003 and 2004 I attempted a comeback in running. The local running store recommended the Mizuno Wave Alchemy shoes. I experimented a lot with form. I followed Jeff Galloway's advice running "tall" and avoiding the "seated" running position. Coincidentally, I found the mid/forefoot strike to be most comfortable and efficient. I felt I could fly (and ended up running a 1:16 half marathon and 2:48 in my first full marathon). I've since tried other shoes and was unable to find the same mid/forefoot strike that was so comfortable. I'm attempting another comeback now. A few weeks ago I tried on the Vibram Five Fingers and bought two pairs. I immediately recognized the efficient and comfortable foot strike they allowed and they are a favorite part of my weekly training now.

01/28/10 @ 22:06
Comment from: Rana [Visitor]  
Rana

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone else has noticed that they forefoot strike while running or walking in VFFs or barefoot, but inadvertantly heel-strike in less minimalist footwear, and in particular as with shoes with elevated heels.

Oh, absolutely. Some of it is, I think, force of habit, some of it is the heel, and some is - I believe - the fact that many shoes have a high heel cup in the back, making it easier to flex your feet than to point them.

I'm harder on my heels when walking than running, though - when I run it's almost always up on the toes, regardless of the shoes. When I'm wearing high heels (which I don't very often) you have to, or you'll break your neck.

01/29/10 @ 14:53
Comment from: Craig Nevin [Visitor]  
Craig Nevin

Shoddy Science
The Nature article is typical of the horrendously poor standard of biomechanical research into running that is exposed in nmy PhD thesis, Initiation and Control of Gait from First Principles.
The first requirement fo accurate reporting of forces, is the drawing of a free-body diagram. The Nature article reports a heel-strike transient force. However, this force is measured at several locations inside sensors buried a few centimeters below ground under a flat steel plate.
There is no direct measurement of the forces at the actual heel in the Nature article.
In my PhD study I measured the forces directly under the heel using a pressure plate. The average forces from 54 subjects and 270 heelstrikes reveal that the phenomenon, blithely referred to as a heel impact transient, does not occur at any biological location in the heel!
The heel impact transient is simply an artifact of the rapid spreading of the forces as the heel squashes onto the ground. Despite the total force peaking, the actual force measurements at the various biological heel localities DECREASE during this period. The net decrease in effect "takes a bite out" of the force curve.

Any shoe that spreads the forces would produce the same artifact.

The so-called science associated with shoe design is very shoddy indeed (excuse the pun :) But excusing the pun does not excuse the pain inflicted by shoddy research.

03/09/10 @ 04:33
Comment from: jheumann [Visitor]  
jheumann

Craig,

Does your 'research' tell is anything asides from pressure = force/area?

What is your point, except to say that the absolute effect of forces MAY be less than presented? If you communicate your point a little better or apply it to this discussion, that would help. At this time you're not addressing the discussion in an applicable manner. Thanks.

03/11/10 @ 23:44
Comment from: Craig Nevin [Visitor]
Craig Nevin

The research into barefoot walking is available at www.dissertation.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1599423294 or the full pdf version from craig.nevin@gmail.com

The Lieberman et al's research that was published in Nature, studies only 16 subjects on an AMTI force plate which has only 4 sensors, each located at least 200mm from the shod heel.

I have by comparison studied 54 barefoot subjects with about 250 sensors, each sensor being located within one millimetre of the anatomical heel.

My thesis contains a mine of detail for those interested in solutions rather than vague opinions.

07/26/10 @ 13:43
Comment from: Jennifer [Visitor]
Jennifer

I was challege by this article. I tried to walk and run. I obsered that when I walked I barely used my heels while in running I used my toes. This article make sense to me because I'm a runner athlets in my school. I can choose a better shoes next time. Thanks for this article.

10/05/10 @ 07:33
Comment from: fiona [Visitor]
fiona

I am fascinated by all this. I always thought I was rubbish at running - in school, trying to catch a bus etc. Then I realised that I could sprint pretty fast whenever I was on the beach on holiday (not so much in the really soft sand, obviously, but near the sea). I started to noitce how I was running on the beach - more forward propulsion, almost without my heel ever touching the ground and I tried to mimic it at other times. - I do have one pair of shoes I can run in - they are my coco-rose shoes (designed to wear when your feet get tired out partying) and they do indeed have no heel. I am now thinking of buying some vibram five fingers having tried on a pair my friend has - unbelievable. Hoping this might help my back problems too!

05/30/11 @ 15:05
Comment from: Cathy [Visitor]  
Cathy

Love my five fingers but had an Achilles problem after running stairs. Definitely indexed pain and swelling which has taken about two months to repair. The extreme flexing while running on stairs and the placement of the back of the shoe right over my Achilles was the culprit. Anyone else experience this? I will try another style to see if it hits lower on my heel. Disappointing. Great for yoga though (after the soreness was gone from trauma).

06/27/11 @ 15:53
Comment from: Trever [Visitor]
Trever

Somehow even with my bulky old shoes I always ran with a forefoot strike. I have no idea how but heel striking is something I have never done at least in my memory

08/22/11 @ 23:21