Comment from: SteveBikes [Visitor]  
SteveBikes

I just bought a pair. I thought the toes were a little tight in the store, but on the treadmill everything seemed fine. But then running in the road, both middle toes were getting slammed on the tips.

Have you found any improvement as you've added miles and broken them in? Or should I give up?

02/19/15 @ 11:44
Comment from: Levi [Visitor]  
Levi

I just returned my Bikila Evo WP's after 3 weeks/76 miles as both of them have a hole/tear along an apparent seam that runs along the arch, dead center of the graphic. I posted this on a barefoot FB group and got several replies of people with the same problem.

I wore them with Injinji Snow socks and they were warm-ish, but when submerged in snow, still cold. I miss my Lontras. The Evo's definitely seem more flexible, but I don't know that I could really tell a difference in grip compared to the Lontras.

My feet/toes just barely fit(had to keep toe nails as short as possible to avoid pain) even going up a size.

Given the price, I'm highly disappointed in these.

02/19/15 @ 13:13
Comment from: Jims H [Visitor]
Jims H

i have been running in Lontras the last couple winters and have been very pleased with them - they make running in snow and mud actually enjoyable. Is this a replacement or improvement for them - hopefully not!

02/19/15 @ 14:13
Comment from: Steve [Visitor]  
Steve

I own a pair of these and run in the primarily wet winters in Japan. I wear medium weight Injini socks.Temps range between 23-40F in the mornings. It is a delight to be able to step though a slushy puddle and not be effected. I have not had trouble with cold feet or toes, although there are few snowy days here. At the same time, my feet never overheat. I sometimes experience overheating with VFF Lontras, which are warm but not waterproof.

02/19/15 @ 14:25
Comment from: Franco Esteve [Visitor]
Franco Esteve

Looks interesting enough. How does it compare to the Lontra and Lontra LS in terms of waterproofing and insulation I wonder? :)

02/19/15 @ 15:49
Comment from: Pascal [Visitor]
Pascal

I have the same question as others as to how it compares to Lontras in terms of keeping your feet warm. The Lontra can barely do the job with temperature drops below -20 celsius (which seem to happen quite a lot lately). So if the Bikila WP are not quite as warm, then I guess it's a no go.

02/19/15 @ 17:40
Comment from: Tom Bosch [Visitor]
Tom Bosch

Even with my extra wide feet, these fit great and are comfortable. I dont have the problem of cold toes others seem to. My only real gripe is the zipper. It's problamatic at best: I've followed the instructions on the box and the zipper still won't close properly. I resist tugging too much for fear of tearing it. I think the zipper was a bad idea. A lace up closure with a velcro flap (or something) would have been better.

02/19/15 @ 19:31
Comment from: [Member]

Stevebikes,

The overall landing should be similar to a standard Bikila EVO. Do you have that same issue with other Vibrams?

My guess is that you are catching on the sections of the toes that curl up. This should improve over time, but "slamming" sounds like a major issue.

Franco, Steve, Jims, and Levi:
Compared to the Lontra (we never got the Lontra LS in the states), the Bikila WP is more flexible, lighter, more waterproof, has better traction, and a higher ankle collar--but the toes are still a bit tight and it's not as well-insulated.

I am not a fan of the velcro-fitted Vibrams, like the Lontra or the original KSO (and KSOTrek, but I love the Kangaroo leather!), so the lace system is a definite plus for the Bikila WPs, but its main issues are the toe pockets (which fit me snugly and may not fit others at all) and its poor winter insulation, but a pair of toe socks definitely helps.

02/19/15 @ 21:40
Comment from: Ray [Visitor]
Ray

I'd like to offer a tip that I discovered for keeping your toes warmer: Treat the upper with a water repellant.

Why? Evaporation.

I was noticing my toes getting colder in my Lontras and Speed XCs. After checking and finding no water infiltration, it became apparent that the outer material was absorbing water/snow melt and then evaporating this moisture, taking away the heat from my toes along with it. Although I don't know enough yet about the outer layer on the WP, I'm guessing that it may have a similar problem.

I treated my shoes with a silicone water repellant designed for use with shoes, the difference in perceived warmth is quite noticeable when your toes no longer have to try and cook off the moisture in outer shell material. Its like the difference between wearing wet, outside-soaked (but waterproof) gloves and dry ones.

02/19/15 @ 22:51
Comment from: Joel Bierling [Visitor]
Joel Bierling

Given the Lontra, how is this the first wateproof shoe?

02/20/15 @ 15:21
Comment from: [Member]

@Joel,

The Lontra was "water resistant" and not "waterproof." Vibram made this a pretty distinct point when they launched the Lontra (that it wasn't waterproof but merely water-resistant).

02/20/15 @ 16:19
Comment from: Ted_S [Visitor]
Ted_S

I really like some aspects of this shoe, especially the waterproof zipper. I have and love my Lontras, but getting my feet past the cuff takes a lot more time and effort than with the Evo WP.

I thinner shoelace, such as on the original Evo, would have fit more comfortably in the space between the top of my foot and zippered cuff.

I ordered and returned one pair of these for my wife and two for myself. The toe pockets are much too narrow and produce pain after a short time of wearing around the house. I can get my toes in, even with a mid-weight toe sock, but I imagine the potential insulation offered by the sock is badly compromised by being compressed.

My problem was primarily with the fit of the big toe. The narrowness is exacerbated by the stiffness of the sole that wraps the outside and front of the toe pocket. It has no give. Unlike any other VFF, it does not conform to the shape of the tip of the toe.

In several attempts at wearing the Evo WP,I found it was okay for about two hours. Then it became intensely painful.

I probably would have kept the Evo WP for running in wet weather except that here in Southern California we no longer have wet weather. I wanted these to use in the mountains and around ski resorts in the winter. The Trek sole on the Lontra has virtually no grip on ice, so I was hoping that the Evo WP with its Ice Grip sole might be a good substitute.

02/20/15 @ 19:23
Comment from: Tyler [Visitor]  
Tyler

I just received a pair a few days ago. *BTW-SIZE UP!I've got chubby toes... The WPs seem to work well but there's a huge reality check needed in expectations of warmth. The toes are separated in (any) fivefingers & they remain in close contact w/ground. Conduction alone robs a lot of heat & quickly turns toes frigid. There's really no practical way around this w/minimalist shoes unless a very special material is created that provides better insulation in a super-thin fabric/membrane. With that said though, these WPs do about the best job I can reasonably expect given the current state of the market/tech available. Well done Vibram!
I ran into the cold-foot issue often over the past winters; I've conceded to (gasp!) wearing Salomon shoes until temps get warmer. Does anyone have any suggestions on keeping "the little piggies" warm when its really cold in fivefingers?

02/23/15 @ 08:46
Comment from: [Member]

Ted,

Agreed. In my testing of the EVO WP, the flexibility was sorely lacking, especially compared to the standard Bikila EVO, which is relatively bendy.

I wish that Vibram kept the original rubber/eva sole from the Bikila EVO, instead of reinforcing it with extra rubber, which makes it less flexible.

They also need to provide a larger toe box.

02/23/15 @ 10:38
Comment from: nowster [Visitor]
nowster

Having had these as Christmas presents, I was initially disappointed at the tightness in the toes, but I persevered.

They do loosen up with use, especially if you use thick hiking-type toesocks with them. I can now wear them without socks. Also, it's doubly important to properly locate the heel correctly in the shoe in order for them to fit comfortably.

They're not particularly breathable, which is another reason to use socks.

Even the insert in the shoebox lid says to use socks with these shoes in cold conditions as the upper material is thin.

02/24/15 @ 11:19
Comment from: [Member]

Indeed, the toeboxes will stretch out over time, all Vibrams do, but the amount that they will/may stretch is limited by the material and the initial pocket size. They will not be as airy as, say, a Bikila EVO or a KSO EVO.

Breathability is, as expected, very limited with the waterproof layer, but I have found that in cold-weather running, the temperature keeps my toes pretty dry.

I prefer to not wear socks with my running shoes, but I reviewed the Bikila WP over the course of several weeks with and without socks.

-Jarvis

02/25/15 @ 15:35
Comment from: Phil [Visitor]  
Phil

Bought Bikila EVO WP in march 2015, but just wore them once or twice before spring, and started wearing them again last december, and after less than 100K (96K to be specific ...), the right one got a tear as described by Levi - above.
Don't know what to do with this situation, the Web reseller's policy for return is way past (30 days or something). Trying to reach customer service, but no Vibram Office in Canada.
My first disapointment with 5F products ...

02/01/16 @ 21:58
Comment from: Regan [Visitor]  
Regan

A warning about these WP's. I so wanted to like them, but they are flawed. http://pastortoeshoes.blogspot.com/2016/02/waterproof-vibrams-not-for-long.html

02/24/16 @ 15:25
Comment from: [Member]

Regan,

My review was not overly positive for reasons of fit, flexibility and warmth, but I have not experienced manufacturing problems and I have used them for about a year.

I agree that everyone should have gone a size larger...

However, I would recommend the WP and Vibram agrees. The WP was discontinued and, more-or-less, replaced the WP with the Trek Ascent Insulated, which is better in every single way, minus true waterproofing.

Thank you for your review! I'm going to be checking out your site in the future!

02/24/16 @ 16:01


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