Comment from: dirk verelst [Visitor]
dirk verelst

Thanks! been wanting to hear more about those for a long time, one of the few non-VFF alternatives that caught my eye, will be pleased to read a follow-up, with size recommendations compared to VFF`s perhaps?

01/19/12 @ 17:51
Comment from: William Heaps [Visitor]  
William Heaps

I don't have the average foot. My big toe is so much longer that my toes create more a 60 degree angle with a wall, rather than the usual 30-40. I can't wear VFF's, which saddens me deeply because I have tried them on and the rest of my foot feels so comfy, except the toes. So, I gave this shoe a shot.

Don't get me wrong, I love it. I wear it all over the place and love that it's so flexible that I can almost just put them in my back pocket to pull out and slip on after any event. The only problems I have faced have been running. The front of the shoe slaps the ground a little bit when I run because there is so much room up there, but also, it doesn't fit quite like I see in other peoples pictures because of my toes. I think my arch touches the wrong place and the straps aren't quite so conveniently placed for me. I can't wait for the Samson, to see if laces fix that problem for me.

The other issue I have with this shoe is stitching. I love the materials, there are so soft and comfy, but I can't wear these barefoot because the stitching bugs my foot. Any shoe that has stitching on the inside bugs me. It was my only qualm with the Merrell Trail Glove too. Well I hope that is a good addition. My experience has been that this show is amazing for everything except running. I would rather just run barefoot.

01/19/12 @ 18:23
Comment from: T.Rex [Visitor]
T.Rex

Grest point about the garish colors on the minimalist movement. What's the deal with that? Btw: your bio says you jacked up your toes. What happened exactly? I've lost feeling in one toe, bit it's starting to come back slowly.

01/19/12 @ 22:37
Comment from: Nick Hind [Visitor]
Nick Hind

Can't wait to see how these go for you as a crossfit shoe Joey. I'm becoming a minimalist shoe addict but use them mostly for crossfit. So far I've found some good for agility/bodyweight/running, others better for Oly-lifts especially heavy overhead etc.
I like the overall concept of these but wonder about the wide-open toe-box (sometimes good for running but not so for other movements).

01/19/12 @ 22:53
Comment from: Nathan [Visitor]  
Nathan

a nice looking shoe. i noticed in the review that you said "The Support insert offers a little bit of arch support, for those weening off of decades-long marshmallow shoe addiction, and while they are more supportive than a true minimal shoe, they are by no means as thick as a traditional running shoe"

VFFs have a large amount of arch 'support' due to the shape of the footbed. its not possible to place your arch flat on the floor in them, thus support. A more appropriate term may be encouragement, who knows, but this is something that needs to be recognised with VFFs. Happy running!

01/20/12 @ 07:21
Comment from: James [Visitor]
James

Good, comfortable shoes; very flexible. I ran about 50 miles in them but finally had to quit using them:

1) The toe seam and my large toenail kept snagging. The toenail finally got too sore to continue.
2) I really like that one can adjust the snugness of the shoes but I frickin' hate velcro; I prefer laces.
3) The shoes pull over one's foot like the VFF KSOs using a stretchy material. I've never really liked that. The Adams, and the KSOs, fit my right arch fine but my left arch is thicker and the Adams, and KSOs, squeezed my left foot more than I liked.

Overall the shoes are quite comfortable. If Altra had made them using a standard lacing system, I would still be wearing them.

01/20/12 @ 10:42
Comment from: Horse Rider [Visitor]
Horse Rider

Thank you for the review, however I believe it's wean, not ween...

01/20/12 @ 12:37
Comment from: Joey [Visitor]
Joey

@Nathan: thanks for your thoughts.

Yes, the shape of the VFF shoe does follow the curve of the arch, but that curve is made from a material that is not exactly going to bare much load in that position, and its not anchored from below by a corresponding flat out sole and contour midsole. I will definitely give you that your foot will certainly be aware of the difference of the VFF arch as opposed to a barefoot arch, but it isn't built in a way that can provide much, if any, real support. Does the make sense?

01/20/12 @ 14:39
Comment from: Nathan [Visitor]
Nathan

@joey

That does make sense. The only thing that will provide any physical arch support is orthotics. If im not in VFFs i live in orthotics, if i try a minimilist shoe with a wider arch section my foot 'seeks' the floor, leaving me flat footed when walking and fatigued (clearly not running). I had no arch trouble (or any other) transitioning and i still use orthotics in all my other footwear. I believe this 'arch encouragement' of VFFs is underrated, as is sole design in relation to so called ankle suppport in boots.

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

01/20/12 @ 16:10
Comment from: Joey [Visitor]
Joey

@James I could be wrong, but I think they have a lace up version in the works.

@Horse Rider: yeah, you are right. Thanks. Spellcheck missed it because ween is an actual word, just different meaning. Oops..

01/20/12 @ 16:31
Comment from: Matt K [Visitor]
Matt K

These shoes look like a great product, but I can't help but think "ballerina slipper" when I see the pictures... is it just me?

01/20/12 @ 23:33
Comment from: PIet Barber [Visitor]
PIet Barber

I love these shoes. I bought them on the night before the Marine Corps Marathon in late October. I have 168 miles on them so far. I do agree with James (with the caveman picture) that sometimes the toenail snags the inside seam. This happens when I'm walking around, but doesn't happen when I run, and doesn't happen when I wear socks with these shoes. I got these so I could more comfortably run in the winter with socks. I don't run with the inseams at all. I can't run without socks, they rub the inside arch where the velcro strap is. That doesn't bother me so much since I got these so I could run in cold climates, anyway.

01/22/12 @ 17:42
Comment from: Josue Diaz [Visitor]  
Josue Diaz

Good initial impressions post.

I don't know about these. Seem really gimmicky and in possession of an identity crises.

The sole seem alright, but that lacing system doesn't seem very durable.

01/25/12 @ 10:56


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