Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
Matthew1st!!!!
01/25/12 @ 12:09
Comment from: Hai [Visitor]
Haican't wait to get my hands on these!!! i think i might like the looser heal cup better since i've always thought all other 5fingers heal cups are too tight for my taste.

thanks for the review and pictures.
01/25/12 @ 12:26
Comment from: Edgar [Visitor]
EdgarNice review! What about sizing? Do you have to use the kso size or the bikila size when you buy these? I love my old ksos and maybe these will bring that feeling back. I can wear my ksos every day but the treks and bikilas are only for a few hours or maybe a couple of days in a row.
01/25/12 @ 15:31
Comment from: Robert [Member] Email
Well I thought the heel might do that. I wanted them for casual wear but it sounds like I would be fussing with the heel constantly. I wish they would have stuck with a KSO style strap that went around the heel and then strapped to the top of the foot.
01/25/12 @ 16:04
Comment from: niki_in_france [Visitor]
niki_in_franceNice review Tim. It sounds like these shoes are very running specific. I wear my VFF all the time and like the Bikila LS since I can wear it loose for every day, then just tighten it a bit for a run. So I guess the See Yas aren't for me. I have another question though, a bit off topic. I saw that you are a cyclist. Do you wear VFF while biking. I just hate real shoes, but the VFFs I have aren't really so great on the bike. I was thinking maybe the TrekSports have a ticker stiffer sole. What do you wear?
01/25/12 @ 16:04
Comment from: A C C [Visitor]
A C CI like that they smoothed the stitching on the footbed.

I don't like the garish colors, but I understand it's because it's a running model and people need visibility.

I don't understand the need for Vibram to put their logo on the bottom that large and in that spot on the midfoot. A smaller logo (placed ideally on the arch like the Classic/Flow/Jaya LR) with smaller letters would allow for greater sole flexibility and would be harder to counterfeit. It's the same principle as money: use logos, holograms, and text small enough so that it can't be counterfeited.

If I designed a pair I'd try to reduce the weight at the heel-cup by shaving off a few mil thickness where the Vibram logo is. Then I'd shave off a few mils where the Vibram logo is on the side of the forefoot because you shouldn't be landing on the side of your 5th metatarsal anyway. (In fact, I'd replace the logo on the back with some sort of hologram stitched in and ditch the plastic-looking grey piece for a textile heel cup for less weight and a better fit on the heel.) You really don't need that beveled surface on either spot and on Trek soles the side of the fifth metatarsal is really stiff because of that.

Also, the weight isn't competitive enough when the Minimus Zero Trail is similar weight (~4.6oz for men's US10). This is supposed to be Vibram's most minimal model and it doesn't even weigh less than the Jaya LR? (Seeya W38 "is a paltry 3.75 oz" , Jaya LR W38= 3.4oz)
Doing away with unnecessarily large logos and things that aren't actually for speed would be a start.
01/25/12 @ 16:11
Comment from: Ben S [Visitor]
Ben SI finnished a 50k in Treks earlier this month. I plan to use these for a road marathon in May and a 5k PR later this Summer. Thanks for the review!
01/25/12 @ 16:28
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
BrianInteresting about the heel. I recently wore out the strap on one of my KSOs, so I decided to cut the straps off both of them until I get a new pair. They now fit looser, of course, but they stay on just fine for casual use. If that's what the Seeyas are like, they may work for me.

I am near full time VFF/barefoot, so the more minimal the shoe the better. Look forward to what others think of the Seeya.
01/25/12 @ 16:46
Comment from: Chase [Visitor] Email
ChaseIs there any way I can be notified as soon as these drop? I'd love to get my hands on some as soon as possible. Thanks!
01/25/12 @ 17:48
Comment from: albert [Visitor]
albertCan anyone recommend a five fingers model for sprinting? Hard sprinting 60m,100m,200m?
01/25/12 @ 17:53
Comment from: Tim [Member] Email
@Edgar - The size reviewed here and the size I use for both the Sprint/KSO and Bikilas is 43. Brand new Bikilas seem a little tight until I break them in and like in the review the SeeYa seems a bit loose, but I attribute that in part to the stretchy uppers.

@niki_in_france - I don't ever do long distances on the bike wearing VFFs. For fitness rides I always use cycling shoes. For shorter rides for errands or social rides I am fine using any VFF really. In fact, when I went to buy my "around town" bike, I wore my most beat up, worn out pair of Sprints to see what the pedal feel would be like. I think getting large, flat pedals for the bike is almost more important than your footwear choice!
01/25/12 @ 21:37
Comment from: barefeet [Visitor]
barefeetThanks for the review! I have a question about the looseness in the heels. I love my Komodosports, but one disappointment is the way that pebbles and sidewalk debris occasionally end up getting inside the cuff. This doesn't happen with my KSOs and Treks. Is this likely to happen with the SeeYas?

(yes, this is probably due to my pushing off - but it's also due to the slackness around the entry hole- am wondering if it's the same with the SeeYas).
01/26/12 @ 10:03
Comment from: Mark [Visitor]
MarkOk so Im liking the SeeYa's so far,being lighter and more minamal, but I have been training for my marathon in my Bikila's, would you recomend that I stay with the Bikila or go for the SeeYa? I know it up to personal preference, but some input would be helpful.
01/26/12 @ 10:44
Comment from: Rick [Visitor]
RickOooh, I want these for a Half Marathon in March!!!!!!!!! Please let me win!!

: )
01/26/12 @ 14:03
Comment from: Tim [Member] Email
@barefeet - I didn't experience any debris getting into the SeeYas as the cuff around the foot is quite tight. But then again, I've never had that problem with Komodos or any other models either.

@Mark - The SeeYas sole feels even more minimal than the Bikila. If you'd like a little more ground transmission you might want to think about moving to the SeeYas, otherwise I'd stick to the Bikilas if the marathon is coming up soon. (There's the old adage about not trying anything new on race day...)
01/26/12 @ 14:14
Comment from: Mr. Leigh [Visitor]
Mr. LeighI agree that the colors are a little loud, but I understand as they are marketed as running shoes and running shoes typicaly are more vibrant. I'd love to try a pair for casual wear and see how they compare to Classics. I often refer to Classics as the flip flop of the VFF world. Maybe these will be even more so, simply becasue they are so light and flexible.
01/26/12 @ 17:31
Comment from: Shu [Visitor]
ShuWhat are the grey shoes in your last two pictures?
01/27/12 @ 11:18
Comment from: aaron [Visitor]
aaroni want these!!!
01/27/12 @ 12:49
Comment from: jared [Visitor]
jaredwhen can we start ordering these vff?
01/28/12 @ 13:05
Comment from: RunningTim [Visitor]
RunningTimI really want a pair of these, but when I enquired at my local VFF stockist, he told me that barefoot inc. who import VFFs into Australia, will require you to have a "license" to own SeeYa's, some bullpoo about them not lasting very long or something. Either way I'm not happy :(
01/29/12 @ 20:03
Comment from: Brett Bumeter [Visitor]
Brett BumeterIt's winter now, but I suspect that black material on the top of the shoe is going to feel pretty hot in the sun in a few months. I think they look great, but running on the road a lot, I find that there is less tree cover/shade and the tops of shoes can get pretty hot as the darker material absorbs the sunlight instead of reflecting it back.

I'll probably get a pair of these. My bikila ls are breaking down after a year of running. I'll still use them on and off but not as my primary. I have a new pair of Speeds, but I was surprised to find that I'm not crazy about running in those. Something about the rubber feels 'hard' in my speeds. Looks exactly the same as all three pairs of bikilas, but when I'm running it feels like I'm landing on hard plastic, maybe I got a bad batch of rubber in that run. So I'm due for a new pair sooner than I expected.
01/31/12 @ 14:59
Comment from: roger [Visitor] Email
rogerintresting, i own a pair of komodosport ls and a pair of classics. but i do want this see ya´s for running, since im gonna wear out my komodosports at crossfit, trail n stuff. and WHAT IS THAT "COVER SHOE" ON THE LAST 2 PICS??
btw, i wanna win 1 of the free pairs, lol
02/01/12 @ 03:20
Comment from: Ted_S [Visitor]
Ted_SWhen you get the. production model, could you compare how these stay on your feet compared to the Bikila LS? I ask because I find that the LS version of the Bikila slips around on my foot when I corner and especially on steep uphill (it stretches a surprising amount). By contrast, both the standard version of the Bikila and the speed feel like part of my foot.
02/01/12 @ 20:49
Comment from: Brett Bumeter [Visitor]
Brett BumeterAdding to what Ted_S said. I'd be curious about how the sizing of this measures up to other models. Ex KSO sizes for me are 44's, Bikilas 45, Bikila LS 45 also but feel very wide, and Bikila Speeds for me at 45 are almost too small/short.

I'd really like to see Vibram improve their sizing qc stuff. After running in them for more than 3 years, I still don't feel comfortable ordering online because the size seems to change with almost every pair and my feet measure pretty much the same consistently at 44(unless those rubber feet measuring things are stretching and shrinking in the stores?) :)
02/02/12 @ 12:44
Comment from: Ted_S [Visitor]
Ted_SAdding more to Brett's observations on sizing, I've had similar experiences. Carefully comparing the lengths and widths of the soles, (for a size 44), all three of the styles I have are identical -- Bikila, Bikila ls, and Speed. Yet each fits differently. One difference I noticed is that my pair of Bikilas has clear plastic tabs over the tops of the toes. These tabs do not stretch. The Bikikla ls do not have these tabs, and hence the toe pockets can, and do, stretch freely. Also the velcro tab on the regular Bikila doesn't stretch, whereas the fabric over the instep on the Bikila ls does stretch.

The Speed has a lot of non-stretchy elements in the upper. Because of this, and probably also because of my foot anatomy, (wide forefoot with large bunions), I had to go up a size with the Speed to relieve pressure on the tips of a couple toes. But even in a larger size, the Speed, probably because the upper doesn't stretch, feels more solid than either version of the Bikila.
02/02/12 @ 19:37
Comment from: dub [Visitor]
dubLooks like these are up at the Vibram site!

Only available at authorized retailers for the time being though... bummer. But it looks like you can preorder the Black/Dayglo at RoadRunnerSports.com. No sign of the Blue/Grey colorway though. Decisions, decisions.
02/04/12 @ 14:39
Comment from: Justin [Visitor]
JustinI am too lazy to see if anyone replied to those asking about the "covers" in the last pictures. but they are vivobarefoot shoes
http://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/mens/ultra-mens-27.html

also, i am excited about these and the spideron. look like good replacements for my bikilas and treksports.

cheers,
-J
02/06/12 @ 23:55
Comment from: Dallas Westveer [Visitor] Email
Dallas Westveeri have webbed toes. I've seen the four fingers post on here, would these be easier than the kso's to operate on?
02/09/12 @ 10:26
Comment from: michael [Visitor] Email
michaelthat's a bit less than half the thickness of the bikila? i think my altra adams are 2mm and it's a big difference from my vibrams (which i love love love).

i guess i will have to try them out but don't see myself going down in thickness from the bikila.
02/09/12 @ 16:11
Comment from: John [Visitor] Email
JohnInteresting comment about the Seeya's flexibility as compared to worn-in Bikila's. Only after ~200 or so miles and a couple of trips through the washer, did my Bikila LS's gain the flexibility I could appreciate. I will purchase a pair of Seeya's, although I am running happily in my Bikila's.
02/11/12 @ 10:13
Comment from: Rich Frantz [Visitor] Email
Rich FrantzI got my SeeYas in the mail and took them for a 3 mile treadmill run. I decided on the treadmill first time out so I could pay attention to the shoes, and not the environment.

1. It's only about an ounce, but these are noticably lighter than my Bikilahs.
2. My Bikilahs fit like a glove, and while the SeeYas fit just as well, the super flexy upper I can feel shifting on my skin as my foot goes through the range of motion.
3. There is some top of foot rubbing. Afterwards I found it to be where the reinforced section that the velcro strap goes through to be the culprit. My guess is that the upper flexes, that spot doesn't and you sense it as rubbing. It is smooth in there against the skin, so I don't think it will blister, more of a "training issue". I need to train myself to ignore it.

Overall, after this brief exposure, I really really like them. Once I get used to their differences fom my Bikilahs, I am sure I won't even notice them. And I like the yellow/black!
02/17/12 @ 19:12