Comment from: Riley [Visitor]  
Riley

How do you feel this compares to the Teva Zilch?

05/16/12 @ 10:40
Comment from: Josh B. [Visitor]
Josh B.

Thanks for the review! I have been looking at these myself for a few months. I wear Stem/Lemings to work and recently bought Vivobarefoot Neo's to run in. I previously tried DIY-kit huarache, but did not like the fit. The toe cord and knot under the foot bothered me. I added more holes and make something similar to this style but the thin cord tore up my pinky toe after about 2.5 miles running.

Did you encounter any rubbing/discomfort with the material?
Can you feel the three contact points where the strap goes under the sole?

Thanks!

05/16/12 @ 10:43
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
Scott

While most of the reviews here are spot on, this review seems to have superficially touched on the best features of these sandals. You can read more here: http://importantbutnotatall.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/pah-tempe-long-term-test-part-1/

But here are the highlights:
1. The Pah Tempe does not look homemade. It fits in as a "normal" shoe.
2. They fit secure the first time and can be slipped on and off without adjusting.
3. Running in them is a delight, better than huaraches.
4. Very functional across a wide range of sports.

One note after tons of testing. Larger feet may benefit from the stiffer 6mm sole.

05/16/12 @ 11:05
Comment from: admin [Member]  

@Scott,

Thanks for the link -- your reviews on the Pah Tempe are incredibly useful and thorough!

I actually disagree about the "homemade" aspect (at least with my Wokovas) but that really comes down to preference as I see it.

05/16/12 @ 11:29
Comment from: rob [Member]  

@Riley: Haven't tried the Teva Zilch, have no idea how it would compare. Sorry

@Josh B: So far I haven't had any rubbing issues with the straps on the top of my feet, don't suspect I will as this has never been an issue when I wore similarly constructed (but heavier) sport sandals. Also I could definitely not feel the the strap-to-sole connection points underfoot.

@Scott: Sorry for the superficial review. I just reported my own experience with the Pah Tempe after a month or so of use, none of which involved running as that wasn't the reason I bought the Pah Tempe. I simply wanted to replace my heavy sport sandals; casual use only. Not sure why you say above that the Pah Tempe doesn't look homemade when you say, several times in fact, in your own review that the Pah Tempe has a bit of an unfinished look. I agree with that, but that by no means lessons my opinion that this is a great sandal.

05/16/12 @ 11:47
Comment from: Mr. Leigh [Visitor]
Mr. Leigh

Thanks Rob and Scott for the thorough reviews. My biggest concern with most of these sandals is the attachment method of the strap to the sandal. Maybe I am off base, but it seems as though I would not want to walk on the strap. Seems it would wear our rather quickly and eventually disconnect from the sole. Again, I am surmising and do not have any experience with this. I have been leery to try them for that very reason. Anyone else think similarly to me on this? For those of you that have these and have had a lot of use of them, do you see any wearing in the area I am referring to?

05/16/12 @ 12:14
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
Scott

@ Rob/Justin,
First let me apologize, my comment came off much harsher than I meant it to, I meant no disrespect at all. I think that the review was great and Pah Tempe is a great sandal. I just wanted voice that it is as good as reviewed and then some.

As for the homemade look there are two ways to look at it. Up close they most definitely look homemade. The rough edges and stitching are things that Terral needs to work on to compete with the offerings of others. However, from a distance they could pass for a pair of Chacos. I'm probably biased here due to years of wearing "strange" shoes, so anything remotely normal fits into the normal category.

05/16/12 @ 12:43
Comment from: rob [Member]  

@Scott: No worries. You had a terrific write-up by the way, I just haven't used my Pah Tempes quite as long as you have, perhaps I'll come back and provide a supplemental review after a while. I guess what I meant by the "homemade" look was what I alluded to in my review when I said that multiple friends of mine on different occasions asked if I'd made the sandals myself. So if it's obvious enough to some outsiders who've never heard of Unshoes that they thought they looked homemade...

@Mr. Leigh: I know exactly what you're talking about. But here's what you need to consider and realize. From my experience with running in Luna Sandals in the past (over 100 miles total) what happens to the sole is that it ends up "bowing" a bit around the main foot to ground contact point. So effectively the edges of the sandal, where the straps are connected end up bowed up slightly. So if you were to look at the sandal from the front (or back) the entire sole would look somewhat concave. Understand? You have to remember that this is relatively thin material used for the sole thus it can concave over time. Now I would be concerned about wearing through the straps if this were a normal sport sandal as this would be too much material in the midsole/sole to bend like this. In my Luna Sandals I never had any issues with the side strap-to-sandal connections but I did wear through the toe strap not once.

05/16/12 @ 13:50
Comment from: Shannon [Visitor]
Shannon

Thanks for the review! I have to admit that although I love the idea of a Chaco-style minimalist sandal I'm really attached to my Lunas, but when I went to order a new pair I was bummed to see that they now charge $15 for custom sizing. So I think I'm going to give the Pah Tempe a try.

@Rob - Do you find that the Pah Tempes are starting to bow like the Lunas? Also, how does the 10mm Newflex compare to the Luna soles?

05/17/12 @ 13:49
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
jon

Have you tried the Bedrock earthquake sandals? I think they look a bit better tan this: http://bedrocksandals.com/earthquake-sandals.php

05/17/12 @ 14:46
Comment from: rob [Member]  

@Shannon: I think it's too early for me to tell if they're going to bow but I suspect they will over time as my Luna Sandals did. No reason to think they won't, especially since I got mine cutout a bit larger than the outline I sent them so the attachment points are a touch further away from my feet than what I had with the Luna Sandal. I've found the 10mm Newflex to feel a bit "cushier" than the Luna sole. It's not foam type cushioning but there is a bit more compression in the Newflex compared to my Luna soles. Not sure if the other Vibram soles offered by Unshoes would feel the same or not.

@jon: I believe Justin or somebody did a review of the Bedrock Earthquake Sandals on this site? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. Like I said, I found I really don't like a sandal with a thong strap between my toes. Some people don't mind it some people do. The Bedrock Earthquake Sandal has a thong strap between the toes so I'm sure I wouldn't like using it but perhaps other people would. Does look a bit better than a traditional huarache IMHO but those thin straps? Still a bit too feminine looking for this guy, sorry! :)

05/17/12 @ 15:33
Comment from: Terral Fox [Visitor]
Terral Fox

Thanks for the review Rob! I certainly wasn't expecting this so it came as a surprise. By the way, if you were ever at the Moab MUni fest then it's possible that we have crossed paths. I ride a mountain unicycle as well!

@Mr. Leigh
Thanks for bringing up the strap attachment subject. I think it is an important part of our process that people generally don't notice. The sole does lift a little bit as Rob mentioned but we have also taken precautions to minimize wear. Wherever the strap is in possible contact with the ground we have sealed and plasticized the outer layer of webbing. This keeps out dirt and sand which is the usual culprit for breaking webbing. It also makes a flat surface rather than a big lump so it's not noticeable. The webbing we use is climbing grade with a very high tensile strength (designed to save your life if you fall off a cliff!) so it is quite durable. The biggest drawback to the strap attachment is the way it looks.

05/21/12 @ 11:24
Comment from: rob [Member]  

@Terral Fox: I've really been enjoying the Pah Tempe, to me it's just what I've been looking for in a sport sandal. Keep up the good work! Regarding Moab MUnifest. Unfortunately I never made it out to Moab for the festival so I don't think we've met. I have ridden the Slick Rock Trail however, that was last July. HOT! But heat wasn't too bad compared to Death Valley which I'd just run across a week and a half earlier! Not riding terribly much these days but I do plan on getting back into it after my long ultra race next month in Hungary... I need a break from running!

05/23/12 @ 08:56
Comment from: moises [Visitor]
moises

I just put on my brand-new Pah Tempes about five minutes ago.

For the previous two summers I have been wearing Paper Feet. I loved the minimalism of Paper Feet, but they (a) did not last long, (b) did not fit well, and (c) were very expensive.

My Pah Tempes have the 6 mm Sport Utility sole. I am wearing them now and I like them a lot (in the five minutes that I've used them).

My one concern is that I am going to trip because the front of the sole is going to get caught on the ground and bend down, under my toes. I have had something like that happen to me when I have taken the insoles out of my Soft Star shoes.

It took six weeks to receive them from the time I ordered.

I am one of those people who can't have anything between his toes. Remarkably, I have not found too many choices out there for a minimalist like me. I have high hopes for these Unshoes. I really hope that they work out. I wish that they, or someone, would extend their business model so that I could buy custom-cut shoes, and not merely sandals.

05/23/12 @ 12:15
Comment from: Terral fox [Visitor]  
Terral fox

I haven't been riding for a long time. I'm too busy making sandals! :)

Function is obviously the most important part of the sandals but aesthetics are also important. We are continually working to get them looking more professional. It wasn't that long ago that we were finally able to move production out of my basement and into a workshop! As we continue to grow we will also continue to make the sandals look less "homemade".

05/23/12 @ 12:51
Comment from: Matt [Visitor]
Matt

I love my KSO Treks, but I figure it might be a good time to get an alternative, even more casual minimalist shoe or sandal to avoid running my KSO Treks thin too terribly soon since I use them for basically everything.

After looking at this review and @Scott's review, I think the Pah Tempes might be a good alternative (and breezier) sandal for me. I used to wear a pair of Crocs sandals.

After looking at the Unshoes website, the different kinds of soles have different ratings - and one of them in the Low Noise.

Now, this may seem like a strange question to ask, but compared to the KSO Treks, just how quiet/sneaky are the Pah Tempes? And if you've tried the 6mm Sport Utility, how much noisier are they?

For some strange reason it's kind of a selling point for me, 'sall.

05/31/12 @ 19:38
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
Scott

@Matt, I'd say the newflex is slightly quieter than they sport utility. However, after using both I prefer the sport utility in a sandal and the newflex in a shoe. I have both in sandals and shoes and I can run completely silently in all 4. As a point of reference these two soles are both quieter than the regular KSO so I assume they could be quieter than the trek too.

06/01/12 @ 11:35
Comment from: Matt [Visitor]
Matt

@Scott:

Thanks plenty for the extra info :D

Now, to convince my parents to get me a pair... :D

06/02/12 @ 14:55
Comment from: Mats [Visitor]
Mats

@scott

What's the difference in feel/function?

I have the original lunas and love the way it's kinda stiff and does not flop easily (I hate flopping), but still are flexible and has lots of ground feel.

I have a pair of ATS 8mm newflex sandals as well, and find that they are borderline "floppy" in that thickness.
Maybe 10mm works better.

Would love it if the Sport Utility is slightly stiffer than Newflex.
Been considering getting these for a while now.
Love running in sandals, but running on gnarly trails and/or when wet has been a problem.

Especially as the ATS strapping system that I hoped would solve all lacing issues and be some kind of silver bullet has turned out to be a headache.
I can't get them to work as they should.
The design seems flawed to me, and the more I look at Unshoes' lacing systems, it seems they got it right.

06/04/12 @ 20:32
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
Scott

@Mats

Your comments on the Luna lacing and soles for both the original and the newflex are spot on with my experience. I love my original lunas but the lacing has been a headache. The Pah Tempe with the newflex sole are great but as you mentioned they are borderline floppy. I'm crafting a whole post on this subject soon.

The sport sole is just slightly stiffer than the newflex and works perfect. It is much more flexible than the original luna sole and I think is the perfect combination for the Pah Tempe design.

If you have been frustrated by the the luna lacing you will love the ease of the Pah Tempe. 2 seconds max and you are good to go.

06/05/12 @ 09:51
Comment from: Mats [Visitor]
Mats

@scott

Thanks for the info. Where will you write the post about the soles? Do you have a blog or website?

On the soles: how does the 6mm sport utility work on rocky trails and similar conditions, does it have enough protection?
And is it the 10mm newflex you have tried and found floppy?
I see the wokova feather has a 5mm newflex sole and I can't imagine how that can work well.

I have to say that I don't really have a problem with the Lunas leather laces as long as I tie them the traditional way (takes some time to get on and off though), and I also love the the elasticized laces that nobody seems to like.
I can tie them once and slip on and off for months without retying.

The problem with both is that they don't handle wet weather and technical trails well.

This is where the ATS lace comes in, as they were supposed to solve all these problems, but I feel Luna dropped the ball on this one, as their not really working that well.

06/05/12 @ 12:40
Comment from: Mats [Visitor]
Mats

@scott

Ah, saw your website in the comments now.
Realized that I've read your review some months ago as well.
Looking forward to your final review.

06/05/12 @ 13:07
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
Scott

@Mats
My blog can be found here http://importantbutnotatall.wordpress.com

For me the 6mm sport utility sole was enough protection. I hiked a 10 mile portion of the Appalachian trail that was particularly rocky and rooty while carrying a 30 lb pack (and often a 40 lb kid) and I was fine. I actually felt better than any hike with hiking boots.

The newflex is "squishier" than the sport sole, so although 4mm thinner the sport sole still provides as much protection.

I have tried both the 8mm and 10mm newflex. While not really floppy they are both very flexible.

06/05/12 @ 13:26
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Alex

Just received my Pah Tempe sandals. First impression : Awesome!

They are very comfortable and the sole feels really nice. I already have FiveFingers that I use every day in summer and for running but the sandals will do a better job on very hot days. I won't be using it to run though.

07/16/12 @ 11:38
Comment from: pam [Visitor]
pam

(sorry if this is a duplicate, my 1st attempt seems to have failed)

i dont' see anyone can run in this or do "agility sport"

there're more straps in the mid & rear. so there is no gapping in the middle & rear between my feet & sole.

but the front strap leaves 1/3 of my feet hanging in space.

(i have tightened the strap but 1/3 of them are still hanging in space with NO strap, i.e., gapping between toes & sole)

i wish there could add another HORIZONTAL strapor move the zig-zag strap the toward toes (@ the joints between metatarsus & toes)

as i walk, esp. going upstair, the sole would separate enough & kick the stair. pretty annoying. this is a design flaw.

otherwise, it is comfortable to WALK in. & my toes feel too free (too free actually the soles gap & flop too much)

regards,

11/07/13 @ 20:01